fly fishing

[okuma]

Do you guys that fly fish for salmon use backing and fly line or just straight mono.?

[Stonefly]

Fly fishing is - Backing & Fly line.. Not Mono..:rolleyes:

Welcome aboard SC..

[okuma]

what type of fly line do you use for salmon?

[Hamj]

Backing & Fly line.. Not Mono..here too!!

I use DT floating.

[JeffL]

Use the search feature on this site and you can find all the information you need.

Depends on situation... double taper or WF floating for Indicator fishing and sink tips for Swinging flies.

At least thats what I use.

[Stonefly]

I use a WF for Salmon. For Steelhead, it depends on conditions and my mood.. :)

[Tiogafishaddict]

i use a running line, with a strip of backing ,,, (mono can cut the fly line) then strait 20lb mono.. the mono is stronger,, and well it still fly fishing. not biggy. i just think the mono will hold up better then regular backing.

[BUdrew]

i use a running line, with a strip of backing ,,, (mono can cut the fly line) then strait 20lb mono.. the mono is stronger,, and well it still fly fishing. not biggy. i just think the mono will hold up better then regular backing.

thats called chuck and duck.....not fly fishing. Just because you use a fly rod and reel does not mean your fly fishing.....don't kid yourself. And since when is mono stronger then dacron backing?????:confused:

[Hamj]

i use a running line, with a strip of backing ,,, (mono can cut the fly line) then strait 20lb mono.. the mono is stronger,, and well it still fly fishing. not biggy. i just think the mono will hold up better then regular backing.


Using mono as backing is a good way to pop you reel apart. Not a good idea!!

[Tiogafishaddict]

Using mono as backing is a good way to pop you reel apart. Not a good idea!!

I never had that problem, it has more stretch then regular backing, i have more problems with any line that has not stretch,, I never once had a reel crack cuz of mono.

[Flythrower]

Using mono as backing is a good way to pop you reel apart. Not a good idea!!


I agree...Dacron backing lays proper on the reel.

[Checkurfly]

dacron and a nice wf

[psac]

I never had that problem, it has more stretch then regular backing, i have more problems with any line that has not stretch,, I never once had a reel crack cuz of mono.

I never thought about using mono as backing on my fly reel? Why do they market braided backing for backing and not mono? hmmm. Can you explain your set up from the base of the spool to your leader? I'm interested in this setup.

When I first went up to New York, I was shocked at what people were calling flyfishing. I guess to each their own.

[JeffL]

Not so much cracking but warping of the spool and therefore eventually you will not be able to turn the spool inside the reel. It will also do a number on your drag.

[Tiogafishaddict]

i never had that problem,, hmm..

[Hamj]

I never had that problem, it has more stretch then regular backing, i have more problems with any line that has not stretch,, I never once had a reel crack cuz of mono.

the reason why you don't use MONO as backing is because it stretches and as you fight a fish you reel the mono in when its stretched and after the fight this MONO cools it relaxes, expands to its former size, by doing so it can pop the side off your reel. If you use backing is doesn't stretch and it stays cool. If your going to us MONO (WiTCH IS NOT FLYFISHING) put backing on first, so when the MONO cool it has a place to expand too and not out ward, that will save your reel.

[Tiogafishaddict]

the reason why you don't use MONO as backing is because it stretches and as you fight a fish you reel the mono in when its stretched and after the fight this MONO cools it relaxes, expands to its former size, by doing so it can pop the side off your reel. If you use backing is doesn't stretch and it stays cool. If your going to us MONO (WiTCH IS NOT FLYFISHING) put backing on first, so when the MONO cool it has a place to expand too and not out ward, that will save your reel.

If im still using flyline,, then im fly fishing no matter what backing i have on,, as for the rest,, might be true,, but i just never had that problem with alot of mudsharks..

[Hamj]

If im still using flyline,, then im fly fishing no matter what backing i have on,, as for the rest,, might be true,, but i just never had that problem with alot of mudsharks..
I thought you where using mono to mono not mono to flyline!! "mono to mono" :woohoo:

[Tiogafishaddict]

I thought you where using mono to mono not mono to flyline!! "mono to mono" :woohoo:

no im using a running line, with mono as backing.

[JeffL]

Flyfishing is defined by using the line to toss out your fly/ bait. If you are doing that then you are flyfishing. If you are lobbing the added weight no matter what kind of line you have, you are not flyfishing.

I've never seen you fish so I don't know what how you are doing it.

[psac]

If im still using flyline,, then im fly fishing no matter what backing i have on,, as for the rest,, might be true,, but i just never had that problem with alot of mudsharks..

Fishing with a running line without a shooting head is not flyfishing, in my opinion.

[okuma]

Thanks for all the info. I am going to try fly fishing for salmon for the first time this weekend. I hope I can find a spot where I can fish without having a billion people there.

[ecsteelheader]

I use 30lb Cabelas backing, going to Teeny T-Series 300 sink tip,before that i had regular wf8 wt>))>

[Salmonfan]

I use teeny's mini-tip #8 and teeny backing. Leader is maxima flouro, wieght depends on targeted :fish: species

[woolybugger65]

Not so much cracking but warping of the spool and therefore eventually you will not be able to turn the spool inside the reel. It will also do a number on your drag.


all the more reason to use dacron backing. dissipates heat better.

[Tiogafishaddict]

Fishing with a running line without a shooting head is not flyfishing, in my opinion.

nice opinion,, whats your point? you still fly fish, use a fly, cast a fly, fish with it,, but its not fly fishing?? ok lol
:D :fishing2:

[psac]

nice opinion,, whats your point? you still fly fish, use a fly, cast a fly, fish with it,, but its not fly fishing?? ok lol
:D :fishing2:

Here we go again! Fly fishing is NOT casting the fly, its casting the line. Tie a fly to your running line with no weight and try to cast it. Let me know how that works out for ya. If you are using additional weight on your "fly outfit" to help propel your cast, you are NOT flyfishing.

[Tiogafishaddict]

Flyfishing is defined by using the line to toss out your fly/ bait. If you are doing that then you are flyfishing. If you are lobbing the added weight no matter what kind of line you have, you are not flyfishing.

I've never seen you fish so I don't know what how you are doing it.im just learning the fly fishing the river thing jeff, but yea i fly fish it,, last trip id say i probably fish like i nymph fish for stockies here, im taking a strike indicator with me this time,, cuz im so use to nymph fishing im gonna give it a shot,, just nymph fishing with glo bugs, woollys and other flies like that.

[Tiogafishaddict]

Here we go again! Fly fishing is NOT casting the fly, its casting the line. Tie a fly to your running line with no weight and try to cast it. Let me know how that works out for ya. If you are using additional weight on your "fly outfit" to help propel your cast, you are NOT flyfishing.

apparently you dont nymph fish much then,, thats ok, you could write a good book.:confused: :D

[psac]

apparently you dont nymph fish much then,, thats ok, you could write a good book.:confused: :D

You are right..I know nothing about nymphing. How could I be so stupid? I didn't realize when nymphing you glob a bunch of lead on the end of your line and use that bobber of an indicator to assist you in your casting distance. I am truely sorry.

I am done with this thread.

[Tiogafishaddict]

You are right..I know nothing about nymphing. How could I be so stupid? I didn't realize when nymphing you glob a bunch of lead on the end of your line and use that bobber of an indicator to assist you in your casting distance. I am truely sorry.

I am done with this thread.

good kik,, i dont need much distance for nymph fishing nor a ton of lead,, :D

I have only been nymphfishing for trout since i have been a kid, but hey whatever works for you,, and your opinion is so greatly appreciated.

[Flythrower]

Here we go again! Fly fishing is NOT casting the fly, its casting the line. Tie a fly to your running line with no weight and try to cast it. Let me know how that works out for ya. If you are using additional weight on your "fly outfit" to help propel your cast, you are NOT flyfishing.


What if you put a few bb size shot on your leader to get your fly down? s that not considered fly-fishing?

I am just curious on what the elitists think about weight on leaders...:confused:

[Tiogafishaddict]

What if you put a few bb size shot on your leader to get your fly down? s that not considered fly-fishing?

I am just curious on what the elitists think about weight on leaders...:confused:

thats waht i was thinking, the way i nymph fished, same with local waters i have here around me,, i use thouse tiny split shot,, thouse nymphs they live on the bottom of creeks right?? around thouse so called rocks and stuff???? but i guess its not up to standard with some peoples fly fishing, so they miss out on alot of fish,, if you let arrogance and igonrance rule.

[psac]

What if you put a few bb size shot on your leader to get your fly down? s that not considered fly-fishing?

I am just curious on what the elitists think about weight on leaders...:confused:


I am far from an elitist but thanks for the compliment.. Please don't twist this around. I actually do quite a bit of nymphing with small split shots, but I DO NOT use it to assist me in my cast like cannonballing chuck and duck when truely "nymphing". In fact, added weight actually hinders my cast. Do I whip cannon balls around during salmon season? Absolutely. But do I call that flyfishing, absolutely NOT. Big differenece there between the two.

[Tiogafishaddict]

I am far from an elitist but thanks for the compliment.. Please don't twist this around. I actually do quite a bit of nymphing with small split shots, but I DO NOT use it to assist me in my cast like cannonballing chuck and duck when truely "nymphing". In fact, added weight actually hinders my cast. Do I whip cannon balls around during salmon season? Absolutely. But do I call that flyfishing, absolutely NOT. Big differenece there between the two.

thought you were done??? lol..

Who said they were using cannon balls?

Who said i cannot get a running line out to where i want to fish cuz i dont have a shooting tip?

I do fine and i said ty for you opinion. i do cast fine, i get my fly to where i want to, and i still consider it fly fishing ty very much :D especially in this water you dont have to get things out there far at all. its not rocket science its what you have confidence in,, no big deal really... its amusing though

[Flythrower]

I am far from an elitist but thanks for the compliment.. Please don't twist this around. I actually do quite a bit of nymphing with small split shots, but I DO NOT use it to assist me in my cast like cannonballing chuck and duck when truely "nymphing". In fact, added weight actually hinders my cast. Do I whip cannon balls around during salmon season? Absolutely. But do I call that flyfishing, absolutely NOT. Big differenece there between the two.



I don't have the best cast in the world so anything on my leader larger than a bb is putting me in great danger of knocking myself out, or knocking the person out standing next to me...:D :D

On a side note, I have started to try to shy away from splitshots and am starting to tie 75% of my flies with Tungsten beads....They rock!!:D

[fishrgirl]

I don't have the best cast in the world so anything on my leader larger than a bb is putting me in great danger of knocking myself out, or knocking the person out standing next to me...:D :D

On a side note, I have started to try to shy away from splitshots and am starting to tie 75% of my flies with Tungsten beads....They rock!!:D

I'm the same way. I'm fine with a weighted fly, but put splitties or any other weight on my leader and I look like a spazoid! :laugh: Plus my leader always gets wrapped around itself, or the rod.

Haven't tied with tungstens yet. But after this weekend, I'm gonna be running to my fly shop for some. ;) The regular ol' cone and bead heads didn't cut it.

[Flythrower]

I'm the same way. I'm fine with a weighted fly, but put splitties or any other weight on my leader and I look like a spazoid! :laugh: Plus my leader always gets wrapped around itself, or the rod.

Haven't tied with tungstens yet. But after this weekend, I'm gonna be running to my fly shop for some. ;) The regular ol' cone and bead heads didn't cut it.



They are a little pricier than normal copper, but are about 50% heavier. I will not go back to brass..

Brass can kiss my @ss!! :p

[BUdrew]

nice opinion,, whats your point? you still fly fish, use a fly, cast a fly, fish with it,, but its not fly fishing?? ok lol
:D :fishing2:

fly fishing is about the CAST, not the gear. Its presenting the fly WITHOUT added weight. You don't get it, its a subtle point. But its ok just go right on "fly fishing"

[Tiogafishaddict]

[QUOTE=BUdrew;64400]fly fishing is about the CAST, not the gear. Its presenting the fly WITHOUT added weight. You don't get it, its a subtle point. But its ok just go right on "fly fishing"[

ITs about the cast???? lol

[psac]

[QUOTE=BUdrew;64400]fly fishing is about the CAST, not the gear. Its presenting the fly WITHOUT added weight. You don't get it, its a subtle point. But its ok just go right on "fly fishing"[

ITs about the cast???? lol

Dude, cut your losses. You're embarrasing yourself.:D

[soloartist]

either way.. i fish with a fly rod/reel, but use mono.. I would say I am simply drifting, not fly fishing.. even if I use a fly..

[flyman23]

I nymph for trout quite often, and I can't tell you how many times I have nymphed a nice stretch of water with no results, added a little weight, fished the same stretch again and caught fish. The bottom line, when nymphing, it is important to get the fly down to the fish. Some times this can be done with the proper cast or mending, but some times I've found you just have to add some weight if you want to catch fish.

[Fishhd]

Why do fly line companys make a running line??

[jcstikfish]

Why do fly line companys make a running line??

To use behind a shooting head system. Shooting head loads the rod and the running or "shooting" line goes along for the ride.



~James

[op1]

I am a newbie to fly fishing and will be trying it for the first time this year.
This thread so far has been very informative. One question for all you seasoned folks. If I don't use any weight on the line how do I get the fly, nymph, streamer or bugger, down? Do I have to allow time for it to sink?:confused: Do I use a sinking line?:confused:

Thanks
OP1

[Tiogafishaddict]

[QUOTE=Tiogafishaddict;64401]

Dude, cut your losses. You're embarrasing yourself.:D

your right, no sence trying to talk about fishing with a toddler :D ill stick with the good info i get from fishermen.. ty anyway

[JeffL]

If I don't use any weight on the line how do I get the fly, nymph, streamer or bugger, down? Do I have to allow time for it to sink?:confused: Do I use a sinking line?:confused:

Thanks
OP1

You don't and it is almost impossible on the SR not to use any added weight and get the fly down in the strike zone.

However,

This time of year swinging flies with a sink tip can be very productive. There is a great post about sink tips on FISH USA that I pasted on this site a couple of days ago. I would highly suggest reading that.


Believe me I am not a purist and I really don't care how people fish as long as it is ethical and with the best intentions. I add weight 95% of the time when fly fishing. A lot of times all you really need to get the fly down is a couple of B, BB. or A # 7 at the most. It also depends on the area's that you fish. Check out flyguys posts. He doesn't fish the deep pools, therefore doesn't need to use a lot of added weight.

I use sinking line when swinging flies. (no added weight) If I am dead drifting I use running line (added weight usually # 7) and if I am indy fishing I use DT floating line. (added weight b or bb) My dead drifting is very much the same as High stick nymphing and (some may disagree) but very close to CnD fishing. That is when I use the weight to throw out the fly rather than the line. Then Hold the rod high and tight to the weight to feel any hesitations. (Great for pocket water and deep pools.)

If Indy fishing or Swinging flies I am using the fly line to throw out the fly therefore traditional fly fishing.

But now more often than not I am using my Center pin.

Hope that helps.

[Flythrower]

You don't and it is almost impossible on the SR not to use any added weight and get the fly down in the strike zone.

However,

This time of year swinging flies with a sink tip can be very productive. There is a great post about sink tips on FISH USA that I pasted on this site a couple of days ago. I would highly suggest reading that.


Believe me I am not a purist and I really don't care how people fish as long as it is ethical and with the best intentions. I add weight 95% of the time when fly fishing. A lot of times all you really need to get the fly down is a couple of B, BB. or A # 7 at the most. It also depends on the area's that you fish. Check out flyguys posts. He doesn't fish the deep pools, therefore doesn't need to use a lot of added weight.

I use sinking line when swinging flies. (no added weight) If I am dead drifting I use running line (added weight usually # 7) and if I am indy fishing I use DT floating line. (added weight b or bb) My dead drifting is very much the same as High stick nymphing and (some may disagree) but very close to CnD fishing. That is when I use the weight to throw out the fly rather than the line. Then Hold the rod high and tight to the weight to feel any hesitations. (Great for pocket water and deep pools.)

If Indy fishing or Swinging flies I am using the fly line to throw out the fly therefore traditional fly fishing.

But now more often than not I am using my Center pin.

Hope that helps.


You had me interested until your last line aobut using the "Centerpin"..UGG!!!:D :fear: :bolt:

[Fishhd]

To use behind a shooting head system. Shooting head loads the rod and the running or "shooting" line goes along for the ride.



~James

That sounds great but I think there is a different reason on the salmon river.
It's called supply and demand.

Is there anything wrong with fishing with a fly rod with fly(running) line with added weight because you like to catch fish and fight fish on your fly rod with fly line with added weight.

I sure hope not because I sometimes get bored throwing fly line around in the air all day.

I do however like to throw the line with spay rod to keep the goons away.

I'll try the shooting head thing after sammy season, where did I put that lead core.

Just busting thanks for the response.

[Beards247]

Thanks for all the info. I am going to try fly fishing for salmon for the first time this weekend. I hope I can find a spot where I can fish without having a billion people there.

Okuma - don't worry about these guys digging into the details. This weekend is one of the craziest ones on the river (so far as #'s of people are concerned). Even if it doesn't go well, don't get frustrated. It takes a while to get used to fishing with a fly rod. And if the water level stays where it is, it could be even tougher.

When there's big water, I usually switch to a running line setup instead of DT (double taper) fly line. helps with line management - but for the detail oriented in this thread, its not "true" fly fishing. Your still using a fly rod and running line, but the cast itself is based on the lead wieght and not the wieght of the fly line (considered more of a true cast).

Anyway, hope this helps and have a great time on the river!

[woolybugger65]

You had me interested until your last line aobut using the "Centerpin"..UGG!!!:D :fear: :bolt:
ugggg?
you ought to try it just one time, you don't know what your missing. flyrod for salmon, pinning for steel. :fishing2:
then again, i want to bust my pin cherry and get a king with it next week.

[tod]

Peoples opinions of what they call flyfishing is simply that an opinion based on there personal beliefs. WHO CARES!!!!!!
YES I have seen and know a man who uses flat mono with a tappered leader and a nymph that can cast outwards of 30' with no additional weight added. He lets 30 plus feet on line dangle in current downstream and uses the drag from the current to load his rod.
Call it what you want but he can do it.
Fish any way you want as long as you are letting the fish decide if he or she wants to take your bait, it is when you begin snagging that it is not fishing and that can be done with any tackle and any technique. Swinging speys with sink tips can and do line fish, C&D lines fish, Indy techniques line fish and float techniques can be used to line fish.
NOW my technique of choice is a hand tied jig( I tie mostly nymph patterns on these small jigs) a float and centrepin. I do not care if you call it centrepinning, float fishing or bobber fishing I ENJOY IT!!!!!! And truthfully what most people call centrepin reels are not really centrepin reels they are float reels. The difference being a float reel spins on bearings and a centrepin spins on a pin and bushing.
Lastly in my 26 years of steelhead fishing I have discovered those that hold the tightest to their strict definitions of a type of fishing are usually doing so because that is how they justify others catching more than them. In fact I believe that your preference of technique has less bearing on the # of fish than your knowledge of where fish are and how to present to them naturally with out spooking. Now go get them with whatever you want.

[Fishhd]

Lastly in my 26 years of steelhead fishing I have discovered those that hold the tightest to their strict definitions of a type of fishing are usually doing so because that is how they justify others catching more than them. In fact I believe that your preference of technique has less bearing on the # of fish than your knowledge of where fish are and how to present to them naturally with out spooking. Now go get them with whatever you want.

Well said :woohoo:

[Craydaddy]

Peoples opinions of what they call flyfishing is simply that an opinion based on there personal beliefs. WHO CARES!!!!!!
YES I have seen and know a man who uses flat mono with a tappered leader and a nymph that can cast outwards of 30' with no additional weight added. He lets 30 plus feet on line dangle in current downstream and uses the drag from the current to load his rod.
Call it what you want but he can do it.
Fish any way you want as long as you are letting the fish decide if he or she wants to take your bait, it is when you begin snagging that it is not fishing and that can be done with any tackle and any technique. Swinging speys with sink tips can and do line fish, C&D lines fish, Indy techniques line fish and float techniques can be used to line fish.
NOW my technique of choice is a hand tied jig( I tie mostly nymph patterns on these small jigs) a float and centrepin. I do not care if you call it centrepinning, float fishing or bobber fishing I ENJOY IT!!!!!! And truthfully what most people call centrepin reels are not really centrepin reels they are float reels. The difference being a float reel spins on bearings and a centrepin spins on a pin and bushing.
Lastly in my 26 years of steelhead fishing I have discovered those that hold the tightest to their strict definitions of a type of fishing are usually doing so because that is how they justify others catching more than them. In fact I believe that your preference of technique has less bearing on the # of fish than your knowledge of where fish are and how to present to them naturally with out spooking. Now go get them with whatever you want.

Well stated!!! :D :worthy: :fishing:

[Ditchrat]

Well stated!!! :D :worthy: :fishing:

You say well stated, I say a crock of horse poo poo.......

While you are entitled to your opinion, fly fishing is fly fishing and not some b@stardized form of it.

And while I do believe you are entitled to do what ever you want, I am entitled to say

IF you are going to do something do it right, dont cheat and dont do it half a$$..

I fly fish, I pin, i fish a spinning rod and enjoy all. If I am going to fly fish I amd going to flyfish................. not fish with a fly rod and call lead chucking flyfishing

[Craydaddy]

I was refering to the last paragraph.

[Ditchrat]

I was refering to the last paragraph.
No need to explain.

[Carpy]

9 out of the 10 dictionaries on this link give the definition of fly fishing as
http://www.onelook.com/?w=fly+fishing&ls=a

:The noun fly-fishing has one meaning:

Meaning #1: angling with an artificial fly as a lure


So maybe this fly fishing thing really is as simple as using a fly as bait. Maybe its the overanalized opinions of fly fisherman that make fly fishing so complicated?

Its fishing. have fun.

I for one, like to fish any method thats working for me.