Right to Carry Reciprocity

[Salmonfan]

We've mentioned carrying firearms in a few threads, and it got me thinking. There had been talk a few years ago about states recognizing other states carry permits the same way they do each others drivers licenses. Does anyone know if states like PA and NY have such reciprocity? I know some states have provsions where you can legally purchase firearms in another state, but wonder about carry permits. Anyone have a clue?

[woolybugger65]

this should do it.

NY is a no no.

http://www.packing.org/state/pennsylvania/#thisstatehonors

[coldsteel]

A florida non resident carry permit will give you rights to carry in 28 states not ny or nj.

My application is in the process as we speak.

[Browntrout5]

I am all for the right to carry or bare arms. But honestly, I think carrying a handgun on the Salmon River is a recipe for disaster. How many of us have fallen down while wading. I would hate to see a accidental discharge.

[Lil Salmon]

NY has some of the strictest most ridiculous guns laws I have ever seen. So WB summed it up real well.... NY is a NO NO.

[Flyguy5910]

NY has some of the strictest most ridiculous guns laws I have ever seen. So WB summed it up real well.... NY is a NO NO.

LOL you should try living here they hammer us to death!!!!!!! BTW i have seen alot of gun toting fisherman latley on the streams and this is very bad, with tempers growing and stress levels are high this will result in somone getting hurt or worse killed. What happened to the old days where you got into a fight then sat down with the guy and had a beer and became friends after.

[Salmonfan]

NY has some of the strictest most ridiculous guns laws I have ever seen. So WB summed it up real well.... NY is a NO NO.

Fortunately, I have a NY concealed carry permit. Just wondered if it would be recognized by another state. Like has been said before "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it". I hope I never need to use it, I had to pull it once when a BIG dog was menacing me while walleye fishing. Glad to say he took off on the draw, but man he was MEAN:eek: I'm talking growling, hair standing on end and stalking me reaaaaaal slow. Ever since then, if I fish at night alone I have "friend" with me.

[psac]

I'm just curious, other than Salmonfan who carries b/c of his issues with biting dogs, why would you carry a gun while fishing? Not to jump on a soapbox here, but what advantage does a gun give you? I am all for people being allowed to have firearms and do as they wish, but from a personal standpoint, I really don't see why having a handgun while fishing is necessary.

I am from the suburbs and I would think that it is pretty unusual for people to carry guns on them. I know that in order to transfer my handgun from my house to the range, I need a permit, so I see the need to have one, I am just trying to figure out the purpose of carrying while fishing?

Can you guys with permits give me a logical explanation of why you carry a gun around with you?

[Lil Salmon]

I have a carry permit in PA ... but would probably never carry while fishing her or NY.... unless its Alaska and i have to run from 1200 lb Grizzlies LMAO!

SF check out packing.org they will tell you which states have reciprocity with NY.

I'd have to agree with Flyguy5910. I'd be a little fightened if everyone on the SR started carrying :fear:

[cinozzy]

BTW i have seen alot of gun toting fisherman latley on the streams and this is very bad, with tempers growing and stress levels are high this will result in somone getting hurt or worse killed.

There are ton more people out there you don't see especcially because handguns should be "concealled" carry.


Can you guys with permits give me a logical explanation of why you carry a gun around with you?

because i can. its my right and as peviously stated "better to have and not need than need and not have".

[psac]

because i can. its my right and as peviously stated "better to have and not need than need and not have".

I am sorry but I kinda knew that someone would post the "because I can" arguement. I am not attacking you but how is that a logical arguement? I might've even baited the question a bit. My parents used to say to me, "because I said so" or "because i told you so". I don't see logic being used in these statements. If you said "because I fear for my life and safety of being attacked by someone that has intentions of killing me", I can agree that logic is being used in that statement.

The only person I fear while fishing is probably the person carrying a gun.

[Eric**]

I too have a permit for PA and only carry when fishing alone at night. The areas where I fish at night have your accassional nitwit drunk or junkie. I also like the security when camping and in some motels I have stayed in around the Pittsburgh area, ;)

Do I need to carry? Probably not, but its a hobby like anything else. I love to shoot and love firearms.

I wouldnt carry on the SR. Too many problems could happen as a result, and I have a tendency to take a dip from time to time on that river :(

[Tempe]

I have to agree with Psac, IMO...carrying a weapon up there is definately a receipe for disaster. Are you really in fear for your lives?

:gossip: Now I've been told that the Catt is a place that you might need to carry :rolleyes: :rolleyes2:

[cinozzy]

i geuss my "because i can" is weak. but i have training in use and handling . I don't carry out of fear , i'm 6ft 210 and have trained in self defense/ martial arts. I don't carry just to the river i carry everywhere i leagally can. basically its for the reason above "better to have......" One think i strongley agree with is is never carry when impaired.

[Ditchrat]

I have a carry permit in PA ... but would probably never carry while fishing her or NY.... unless its Alaska and i have to run from 1200 lb Grizzlies LMAO!

SF check out packing.org they will tell you which states have reciprocity with NY.

I'd have to agree with Flyguy5910. I'd be a little fightened if everyone on the SR started carrying :fear:

Lil I dont not no the correct answer to that. But it is my understanding that a florida carry permit is good in 26 different state. I also do not know if this is correct, but its a starting point.

Now if you have a set of b$lls you could always just carry un conceiled unless NY has funny laws.

How ever most states have a easier to get sportsmans permit. This is PA as an example
An individual who is age 18 or older and is licensed to hunt, trap or fish, or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, may apply for a Sportsman's Firearm Permit by submitting a completed application along with the required fee to the county treasurer's office. The permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any "legal firearm", when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license, or permit relating to hunting dogs. The issuances of a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit allows the individual to carry a firearm if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers, fishing or training dogs, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers, fish, or train dogs during the regular training season, or returning from such places. A Sportsman's Firearm Permit is NOT a License to Carry a firearm concealed.

[lost]

I have to agree with Psac, IMO...carrying a weapon up there is definately a receipe for disaster. Are you really in fear for your lives?

:gossip: Now I've been told that the Catt is a place that you might need to carry :rolleyes: :rolleyes2:

Dont know for sure but carrying on the res for a non indian may be a big no-no

[comanche]

have hunted & owned a gun most of my life-several in fact-carrying on salmon r.no way--wild west shoot-out with the nuts that fish that river-that s
hould close it down in a hurry--true combat fishing is not my idea of fun??

[Tempe]

Dont know for sure but carrying on the res for a non indian may be a big no-no

I think you may have missed my sarcasm…I know it was subtle :p :rolleyes: :rolleyes2:

[HeavyA]

I agree, carrying on the Salmon River is definitely a bad idea. I can see some merit in carrying while fishing, though, especially in remote areas or places with shady people around. Two years ago on opening morning of trout here in PA I had a pretty scary experience. My Dad and I were fishing an area about 1 mile from the road. Across the stream there were a bunch of drunk, scumbag, white trash kids (about 18-20 years old) that were trying to intimidate us because they wanted the spot to themselves. We just ignored them, but then the one guy started acting really aggressively and then said he was going to "f'ing kill" us. At that point we called the cops and when they came we found out this kid was well known to them and had a history of assault and drug charges. I'm glad things didn't escalate any more than they did, but if he would have pulled a knife or something like that, I can see how a handgun would have been useful and I am pretty sure I would have been justified to use it. There are a lot of losers out there and just because you are fishing doesn't mean you are safe from them.

[fishheadbob]

I don't see how brandishing a hand gun intimidated the ornery dog you were talking about. I mean come on now, some dogs are pretty smart, but to me that was like telling the dog you know some vicious lawyers who will sue him if he bit you.
BTW, when I had the misfortune to be a temporary Texan many years ago, it was a potential LIFE sentence to carry a concealed handgun in a saloon. Gotta love those Texans and their strange view of justice.

[Salmonfan]

I don't think the dog knew I had a gun, that is giving an animal more credit than necessary, but I think the sudden movement may have sent him a message. Don't know, all I know is I drew and he trotted off and left me to fish in peace. Don't want folks to read too much into that part.

And in NY, you can't carry in a bar or club either. Good thing, 'cause alcohol and guns are a BAD combination.

[cinozzy]

for the people that think carrying on the SR is a bad idea that is your choice but there are many responsible owners who will never have a problem with it. I mean if your questioning your own reponse to an action of a drunken fool starting a fight with you, you'd shoot, you're going to jail. Carrying does not mean using. Justifiable use of gun in self defense is very difficult to prove. Even if a drunken idiot would pull a gun on you, the law requires you take any means nessessary to avoid conflict. meaning you need to turn and run b/4 being leagally allowed to defend youself using your own leagally owned firearm. the use of a firearm must be your last and only option.

[woolybugger65]

I'm just curious, other than Salmonfan who carries b/c of his issues with biting dogs, why would you carry a gun while fishing? Not to jump on a soapbox here, but what advantage does a gun give you? I am all for people being allowed to have firearms and do as they wish, but from a personal standpoint, I really don't see why having a handgun while fishing is necessary.

I am from the suburbs and I would think that it is pretty unusual for people to carry guns on them. I know that in order to transfer my handgun from my house to the range, I need a permit, so I see the need to have one, I am just trying to figure out the purpose of carrying while fishing?

Can you guys with permits give me a logical explanation of why you carry a gun around with you?


1. there is no need to carry while fishing, but i do agree with LIL if you are in alaska.

2. although i do posess a PA permit i don't carry. i feel that it is my civic right to posses one however. that's why i have one and will continue to do so.

3. i am not 100% sure you need a permit to shoot recreationally, meaning you might not need one to transport from house to range.

[Salmonfan]

for the people that think carrying on the SR is a bad idea that is your choice but there are many responsible owners who will never have a problem with it. I mean if your questioning your own reponse to an action of a drunken fool starting a fight with you, you'd shoot, you're going to jail. Carrying does not mean using. Justifiable use of gun in self defense is very difficult to prove. Even if a drunken idiot would pull a gun on you, the law requires you take any means nessessary to avoid conflict. meaning you need to turn and run b/4 being leagally allowed to defend youself using your own leagally owned firearm. the use of a firearm must be your last and only option.

The law, as I was told in the class taught by the Otsego County Sheriff was if you or another is in imminent danger of serious physical injury or death you are allowed to use deadly physical force. If some drunk pulls a gun, you are well within the limits of imminent danger thereby justified in using deadly physical force. But I agree with your statement of shooting being the LAST option. From the stats I've read, usually the sight of one is enough to diffuse the situation. Some 2 million times a year a firearm is used in that manner, saving a life without a shot being fired.

[Tiogafishaddict]

For us sportsmen and americans who back up our right to bare arms, we have to be sure to be responsible in our use of firearms, this doesnt mean toating a gun on the SR to intimidate anyone or anything. You have no need for a gun on the SR. Unless you want attention or to bully people into giving you space.

I have dozens of guns, i have a permit to carry, but the biggest thing i have is a mind with ethics knowing when to draw the line in my gun use.

[cinozzy]

For us sportsmen and americans who back up our right to bare arms, we have to be sure to be responsible in our use of firearms, this doesnt mean toating a gun on the SR to intimidate anyone or anything. You have no need for a gun on the SR. Unless you want attention or to bully people into giving you space.

I have dozens of guns, i have a permit to carry, but the biggest thing i have is a mind with ethics knowing when to draw the line in my gun use.

I agree there is no need in 99.999% of time in the average law abiding americans life to "need" to carry. I do for that.001 % chance of unknown. I acrry in my on home, and everywhere leaglly allowed.

To brandish to intimade for space??????? That is rediculus ! if that is even a consideration of yours you should not be allowed to own any firearm.

[kingdady]

I have a NY permit and also have a permit for PA.The PA permit was easy to get compared to getting one here in NY.I dont think you need to carry one on the water but some of those fish do get big:eek:

[HeavyA]

I found this thread on Lake Ontario United, about some guys getting shot at in their boat while fishing the Genny in Rochester. Forget the handgun and just mount a turret gun on the front of your boat. Just goes to show you there are some crazy SOBs out there. Kind of makes a good case for carrying.

http://www.lakeontariounited.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5932

[Blacklake Kid]

I'm a state trooper and to think you would carry a handgun while fishing is about as assinine as I ever heard...It's fishing!!! not a show down with the next fisherman...if you want the salmon or fish that bad have at it brother because I will live to see another day and catch another fish or nothing at all and enjoy it...

See that is why we have problems in the first place...guns are great for hunting but not for fishing...I can't say how you were raised but my father NEVER carried a handgun fishing...far be it that a dog gets the best of me...I've been bit but the dog paid later...

LEAVE the guns at home and loosen your waders..

[Bluefin]

LMAO...There's not a hand gun on the planet that is going to stop an Alaskan brown or grizzly that wants to eat you.

[fishheadbob]

loosen your waders..[/QUOTE]

That line says it all.

BTW I used to teach Jr. H.S. English (to future inmates). Bare arms are what they had when they took their shirts off. Bear arms is what they did when the judge gave them an alternative to jail by joining the Army.

[neilc]

because if you ever need it, you won't have time to go home and get it.

[RJ's Addiction]

Bluefin, Check out the S&W 500. With the "light load" sents a 275 gain barnes X bullet over 1650fps. The "heavy load" sents 440 gain bullet at the same velocity around 1650fps for over 1.25 TONS of muzzle energy. NIGHTLY NIGHTLY TEDDY BEAR.

[woolybugger65]

LMAO...There's not a hand gun on the planet that is going to stop an Alaskan brown or grizzly that wants to eat you.

not a .44 magnum?

[Browntrout5]

not a .44 magnum?

Or a 50 cal desert eagle?

[RJ's Addiction]

Guys, The S&W 500 beats both of them. I just don't know what the kick is like.

[Salmonfan]

Actually they just came out with a handgun just for that, as back up in case of grizzly encounters. It's a .480 if I remember correctly which is plenty big, but shot placement would be literally a life and death matter - wouldn't wanna end up like Timothy Treadwell.

[RJ's Addiction]

Timothy was one "touched" soul. He believed he was one with the bears.That didn't work out too well. Did It....

[Browntrout5]

I still havent seen that, anyone know if its still shown on TV?

[Eric**]

We need to touch on something here.

If you carry I would hope that you are willing to use it if it ever comes down to actually pulling on someone. In most cases sure it will deter the person, but if things were to get out of hand and you pull you better be willing to fire.
God forbid you feel your life is in immediate danger and its the last resort.
Once that weapon is shown if the offending party doesnt back off things may have just taken a turn for the worse, people do crazy things when they feel threatend or cornered and if you hesitate you run the risk of the weapon being taken from you.

Then comes the decision. Do you try and wing the person or aim center mass. This is a heated debate among some. I've been told by some in law enforcement that the worse thing you can do legaly is wound someone because of the lawsuits and claims, regardless of what the situation was, that will come for years to come. So then it comes down to a moral decision. Killing a man is something I hope none of us ever have to face, but that is what we are talking about here.

[RJ's Addiction]

BROWNTROUT, I work for TV station I'll see if we have a copy floating around.

[fishon1954]

Fortunately, I have a NY concealed carry permit. I hope I never need to use it, I had to pull it once when a BIG dog was menacing me while walleye fishing. Glad to say he took off on the draw, but man he was MEAN:eek: I'm talking growling, hair standing on end and stalking me reaaaaaal slow.


That dog must have recognized your weapon being drawn & said to himself "Rut row,time to go.That guy drew his gun & is going to shoot me."when that gun came out of your holster.

[KingofKings]

I don't think the dog knew I had a gun, that is giving an animal more credit than necessary, but I think the sudden movement may have sent him a message. Don't know, all I know is I drew and he trotted off and left me to fish in peace. Don't want folks to read too much into that part.

And in NY, you can't carry in a bar or club either. Good thing, 'cause alcohol and guns are a BAD combination.

Well if it ever happens again, you don't have to shoot the dog,not sure of your intentions, but a shot fired in any safe direction other than at the dog would have done the trick as well. that is someones pet, you know...:confused:

[gonefishin]

SAlmonfan , I have a full carry in Ct and work in NY and cannot carry there or mandatory 1 year in the slammer , but you from PA (I think) or anyone from NY with a carry permit can just apply with the CT State Police and will be given a CT carry permit . I know this as several friends of mine from NY did just that , Screw YORK Strikes again :censored: , LOL , GF.

[Salmonfan]

Good to know, thanks.

[Beards247]

Maybe we should just combine two issues....

The the snaggers shoot salmon in their own section of the river... could be entertaining... from a far with binoculars!:fishing2:

[Kal9weight]

[QUOTE]NY has some of the strictest most ridiculous guns laws I have ever seen. QUOTE]

oh boy, come to Massachusetts.

[comanche]

well the drinking & substance abuse i see going on at the salmon r.and believe me i am a gun owner advocate-have a gun safe full of them & know how too use them-i would not like too see them carried except by law enforcement on the salmon r.period??

[woolybugger65]

in pa. if you are arrested with an alcohol misdemeanor your permit will be taken away.

[Browntrout5]

[QUOTE]NY has some of the strictest most ridiculous guns laws I have ever seen. QUOTE]

oh boy, come to Massachusetts.

Really? I have never had a problem. I think you dont even need a pistol permit to shoot a range as long as someone else has one

[hizzy19]

Come to VT!! Handguns for all!!!! No permit required!!! :humble:

On the issue of carrying while fishing... That would just be one extra thing weighing you down... It would be like wearing a chainmail suit every time you go swimming in the ocean... Sure there are sharks out there, but how much precaution should we take? Do you all chew your food adequately? You could choke... Ever been outside in a thunderstorm? You could be struck by lightning... I think there are more important things to worry about while on the river, like, ''How come I'm not catching anything?'':o

[Nic]

I have, and do carry while fishing. Simply put I fish the Genny in the City of Rochester. And for those of you that dont think people should carry, here is a question for you; do you only put your seatbelt on when you are expecting an accident or do you always wear it just in case??? I thought so :eek:

[tod]

NIC that is funny!!! When I am the Genny I also carry, however it is the only destination I fish where I feel the need to. In addition before I go to the Genny I empty my car of everything but my reg & insurance cards and when I park I leave the doors open so I don't find a busted window. If they want my stock radio from my 1987 they can have it.
I know this may be profiling but once you have walked up that long hill to get to your car and discovered a busted window and the only thing stolen was about $7 in change from the ashtray I would rather say have a look inside nothing of value here.

[Tiogafishaddict]

I have, and do carry while fishing. Simply put I fish the Genny in the City of Rochester. And for those of you that dont think people should carry, here is a question for you; do you only put your seatbelt on when you are expecting an accident or do you always wear it just in case??? I thought so :eek:

ok,, i tote guns alot, but ill start wearing the gun to church, to the grocery store,, to drop my little one off in school, just so it eases my severe paranoia of all thats bad in the world a litlte bit.. good idea

[Nic]

ok,, i tote guns alot, but ill start wearing the gun to church, to the grocery store,, to drop my little one off in school, just so it eases my severe paranoia of all thats bad in the world a litlte bit.. good idea

Now thats the attitude ;) LOL

[GMTrout]

It's really just too bad that fisherman feel the need to bring guns to the river. The only reason for it is so you can just shoot someone if they rub you the wrong way? That's a great mentality!
It's great to think while I'm fishing in a beautiful place for some of the countries finest sportfish that the guy next to me might have a gun because he's afraid of the world.
Let's see...packing list for today's fishing trip:
1. rod
2. reel
3. flies
4. camera
5. gun
WTF is the matter with you people????????????????????????????????????

[GMTrout]

Will you then be packin' heat at your kids soccer game just in case you don't like the call the ref makes?

[tod]

You haven't been to the Genny. It is in the inner city of Rochester (The murder capital of the US) in fact it is located in a section known as the crescent, this section is where 3/4 of the murders occur- I believe if you take the crescent murders out of the stats Rochester would be one of the safest places. As far as beautiful places Rochester is not, a city that once thrived on the success of Kodak is now dieing with the demise of Kodak.
My gun is with me when I go here in case some crack head wants what ever he thinks I got and is willing to hurt me to get it-and it is my right as a law abiding citizen with permit to not have to rely on anyone but me for my personal safety. I will not rely on a govt to provide me with a sense of safety when they have already proven to me that what is in my best interest is not in theirs most of the time.

[keukakatch&release]

Timothy was one "touched" soul. He believed he was one with the bears.That didn't work out too well. Did It....

sure it did! He literally became a part of the bears.....:eek:

[Nic]

You haven't been to the Genny. It is in the inner city of Rochester (The murder capital of the US) in fact it is located in a section known as the crescent, this section is where 3/4 of the murders occur- I believe if you take the crescent murders out of the stats Rochester would be one of the safest places. As far as beautiful places Rochester is not, a city that once thrived on the success of Kodak is now dieing with the demise of Kodak.
My gun is with me when I go here in case some crack head wants what ever he thinks I got and is willing to hurt me to get it-and it is my right as a law abiding citizen with permit to not have to rely on anyone but me for my personal safety. I will not rely on a govt to provide me with a sense of safety when they have already proven to me that what is in my best interest is not in theirs most of the time.
I agree with Tod, and its for the same reasons which I carry to THAT river, and a few smaller creeks in the area as well. When you have to walk a third mile through the homless and crakhead infested woods in the dark alone, its in the best interst of anyone that fishes thier to do so. I am not carrying to "deal" with other fisherman because we are fighting over a hole or some BS like that its more so b/c these lowlifes in that area will slit your throat for $2.00 And yes I agree that its a sad day when it comes to firearms on the water and I hope I never have to use it either but till things clean up(not in my life time) I will be carrying at the Genny. And for the azz making the remarks about carrying to my kids games, your just taking this too far. I stated the Genny not to my kids F-en school. Get a grip or better yet swallow your pride and take a walk down the gorge's wildside in the dark!!!!

[Browntrout5]

I agree with Tod, and its for the same reasons which I carry to THAT river, and a few smaller creeks in the area as well. When you have to walk a third mile through the homless and crakhead infested woods in the dark alone, its in the best interst of anyone that fishes thier to do so. I am not carrying to "deal" with other fisherman because we are fighting over a hole or some BS like that its more so b/c these lowlifes in that area will slit your throat for $2.00 And yes I agree that its a sad day when it comes to firearms on the water and I hope I never have to use it either but till things clean up(not in my life time) I will be carrying at the Genny. And for the azz making the remarks about carrying to my kids games, your just taking this too far. I stated the Genny not to my kids F-en school. Get a grip or better yet swallow your pride and take a walk down the gorge's wildside in the dark!!!!

I lived in Rochester for a few years and am very familiar with that area. I never once fished that section of the Genny. If I have to carry a weapon just so I can go fishing, I will find another stream. I respect those who carry weapons and certainly dont blame anyone who carries while fishing the Genny. But is it really worth it? Too me there is just too many streams and too many other options. Even if the fishing isnt as good. I just hope every member of the Salmon Crazy web site never has to draw a weapon to protect them. Thats not what fishing is supposed to be about

[phishhead]

It's not all good in the hood!!!!:eek:

[Ditchrat]

Well if it ever happens again, you don't have to shoot the dog,not sure of your intentions, but a shot fired in any safe direction other than at the dog would have done the trick as well. that is someones pet, you know...:confused:

Good thing your not in PA, dogs get shot all the time chasing deer

[fishzilla]

just when i thought i had all my terminal tackle figured out i read this stuff. what would you suggest to bring down one of these beasts ? should i go lite and bring my 9mm or would the 44 mag be a better choice for more knock down power ? sounds like a real fun place to spend a couple of days. i'll be there next weekend ( i'll be the one ine the full body armor waders. ) lmao

[KingofKings]

Good thing your not in PA, dogs get shot all the time chasing deer

I am a dog lover, spend alot of time with mine. He is my #1 fishing buddy for sure. I always catch more fish when he is around too:fishing2:

[GMTrout]

...swallow your pride and take a walk down the gorge's wildside in the dark!!!!

That sounds like a verse of some 80's heavy metal song. Who needs to get a grip on this situation? The guy that goes crackhead fishin' when the ny state is completely saturated with fishable water or the guy that sees a problem with people taking guns on, what would be, otherwise safe fishing outings. This isn't Alaska brother. No big grizzlies out here. Just fisherman like me that hope they don't get accidentally shot by :censored: such as yourself.

[Ditchrat]

I am a dog lover, spend alot of time with mine. He is my #1 fishing buddy for sure. I always catch more fish when he is around too:fishing2:
Most of us love dogs, but they run deer into the ground and kill them for no good reason. Wild dogs die on sight

[Nic]

That sounds like a verse of some 80's heavy metal song. Who needs to get a grip on this situation? The guy that goes crackhead fishin' when the ny state is completely saturated with fishable water or the guy that sees a problem with people taking guns on, what would be, otherwise safe fishing outings. This isn't Alaska brother. No big grizzlies out here. Just fisherman like me that hope they don't get accidentally shot by :censored: such as yourself.

Obviously not a gun owner, and a very uneducated one at that!!! If you dont know about guns and how they work, keep your mouth shut. WAAAA WAAAAA "accidentally shot" my god are you an idot or what!!!! GMTrout, let me ask you this, do you carry a knife ever???? be carefull if you do, you might accidently cut yourself or even worse, cut someone else accidently

[Ditchrat]

That sounds like a verse of some 80's heavy metal song. Who needs to get a grip on this situation? The guy that goes crackhead fishin' when the ny state is completely saturated with fishable water or the guy that sees a problem with people taking guns on, what would be, otherwise safe fishing outings. This isn't Alaska brother. No big grizzlies out here. Just fisherman like me that hope they don't get accidentally shot by :censored: such as yourself.

I have a right to carry a gun when ever and for what ever reason I choose.

Deal with it...............

[Nic]

I have a right to carry a gun when ever and for what ever reason I choose.

Deal with it...............

I agree, NUFF SAID, next thread!

[Orvisflyer]

Welcome to Vermont , Now please go home , all you gun toten fishing fool's . . If your fishing where you neen to have a gun with ya , your fishing the wrong places . What a bunch of fuc-ing fool's .

[GMTrout]

I have a right to carry a gun when ever and for what ever reason I choose.

Deal with it...............

Of course you have the right to carry your gun and that's not what I'm arguing. Other than packing heat on the Genny so you can shoot crackheads that want your 2 bucks, please enlighten us as to your reasoning for carrying a weapon to other fisheries. I would love to hear what your so afraid of. Just list the stream name and reasoning for carrying to that stream.
And to Nick the D!#k... I am a gun owner, and have seen people and dogs accidentally shot by fools like you....Guys that watch too many movies and have guns for all the wrong reasons.

[Nic]

LOL this is great, I am now a fool that accidently shoots people b/c I carry at the Genny. WTF
And the Genny is the only river that I fish at that I carry on. This does not make me an accidently discharging fool. I am a responsible owner and very safty oriented. I hope someday you will be able to respect my choice.

[Nic]

My previous post of "other smaller creeks in the area" by that I ment I have considered carrying at linear park when I fish that b/c I hear of at least once a year a lone fisherman is held at knife point for his belongings. Havnt carried yet to it but am thinking twice about it.
-Nic

[KingofKings]

Most of us love dogs, but they run deer into the ground and kill them for no good reason. Wild dogs die on sight

Gotcha, thought you were talking about pet's only, wild dogs aren't the same

[Browntrout5]

I wish the city of Rochester would try to clean up that area. That part of the city sucked 10 years ago when I lived there and sounds like not much has changed since.

[Ice Pick]

Do you guys remember the guy last year that killed all the hunters trying to kick him out of a tree stand....Hes in prison for the rest of his life now!

Its just not worth having a gun with you while your fishing with all the Salmon fisherman.What would happen if you actualy got so mad to use it????Or even miss and hit a kid....And theres even the event of getting shot by your own gun in scuffle.:faint:

Its your choice to carry it but it will be Bubbas choice when he's sodimizing ya in jail when you use it...:eek: ...Or at the pearly gates when god says "WTF were you thinking"....:D

[Ditchrat]

Do you guys remember the guy last year that killed all the hunters trying to kick him out of a tree stand....Hes in prison for the rest of his life now!


Actually he was clear as the other hunters fired at him first and it was selfdefence. At least that was the last report I had read

[HeavyA]

Actually he was clear as the other hunters fired at him first and it was selfdefence. At least that was the last report I had read

I thought he got life in prison? If I recall correctly, only one of the other hunters had a rifle and he ran down the other people and shot several of them in the back.

[Ditchrat]

I thought he got life in prison? If I recall correctly, only one of the other hunters had a rifle and he ran down the other people and shot several of them in the back.


The guy in minnisota(sp)
Lets find it.........

[Browntrout5]

The guy in minnisota(sp)
Lets find it.........

I heard several got shot in the back too, I dont remember details though

[Ditchrat]

I heard several got shot in the back too, I dont remember details though

http://www.courttv.com/news/2004/1122/deerhunter_ap.html

this is not the one I was refering to but I think its the one you guys are.
The one Im refering to was a hunter accused of huunting out of somebodies tree stand.

One of the group the accused him fired at him. The hunter in the stand fired back, killing the one guy and another who fired at him also. One teenage hunter survived as well as an adult. Both testified that one of the dead hunters fired first.

Reguardless pretty stupid. But still not the guns fault

[Browntrout5]

Yep, thats the one

[fishzilla]

it was in wisconson. it was a asian dude. i don't think he was fired on first either. but he chased them down and shot them when he was told to leave the posted property he was on. he said they used racial slurs. note to self stay away from grasshoppers drift. none of you carriers are asian are you ? lol.

[uncle-T]

I too will carry when and where I want. By the way how many people that posted on this thread have permits and why?

[NYGunman]

It's really just too bad that fisherman feel the need to bring guns to the river. The only reason for it is so you can just shoot someone if they rub you the wrong way? That's a great mentality!
It's great to think while I'm fishing in a beautiful place for some of the countries finest sportfish that the guy next to me might have a gun because he's afraid of the world.
Let's see...packing list for today's fishing trip:
1. rod
2. reel
3. flies
4. camera
5. gun
WTF is the matter with you people???????????????????????????????????? What you are saying is highly ignorant and insulting to gun owners. Carrying guns does not make us criminals or make us want to do criminal acts. For example. You have a mouth and naughty bits. That makes you equipped to be a male prostitute or a rapist. Are you?

Of course not! (Well I hope not.) You are letting your fears get hold of you. Us gun owners choose to carry guns in case something bad happens. We take the responsibility of protecting ourselves. We realise the police can't protect us all the time and there are dangers in this world. Do you want an example?

Abut 10 years ago a lady was abducted from her job at XtraMart in Marcy, NY. This women was really nice and would not hurt a fly. She went to high school with my mom.

One day a customer came in. He picked up two cases of beer and ran out of the store. She called the NYS troopers. They arrived quickly but there was little they could do. They made a report and left. The beer thief was only 40 yards away. He was sitting on the bike/hike watching the whole ordeal. He drank quite a bit and decided to pay the women a visit again

He came in and over powered her. He made her give him the keys to her car. He shoved her in the trunk and took off to Rome, NY. There he beat, raped and sodomized her. When he was done he beat her again and shoved her back in the trunk. He proceeded to head back to Utica.

While the women was abducted a customer walked into the empty store. He called the police. The police knew the woman very well and new the car she drove. I believe an Oneida County sheriff spotted the vehicle heading back.

The cops chased the car for a bit. The guy hopped out of the car and jumped in front of a train and lost his legs.

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/introduction/Annual_Reports/1997/troopd.pdf#search=%22woman%20abducted%20from%20xtr amart%20marcy%20ny%22

There was also another abduction at that store about 4 years ago.

I have more stories where I would have been in hot water in I was a few minutes early or later. I realise that the world is not a safe place. Most gun owners respect life, especially their own.

My last story is probably the hardest one for me to tell. You won't understand it because you have not been there.

When I was younger I went to my friends house. His older brother had severe mental issues. The guy was huge. He decided that day would be fun to torture me. He beat me up and bound my hands to my feet. He placed duck tape over my mouth. He told me he was going to kill me. I believed it. He put the knife up to my throat and pretended to slice it. He didn't pretend to hit me. That he did.. My friend did nothing as I suspected he was also afraid. This went on for two hours. My friend's brother only let me go because his parents were coming home.

Fast foreword to today. Yes I carry a gun almost everywhere I go. Most of the time it is concealed but occasionally I do open carry. There is no threat or intimidation in me. If I am in a situation where my life is in danger I am fully prepared to use it. I won't be placed in a situation again where I am helpless and in fear for my life.

I always try to avoid bad situations by being aware of my surroundings. I also try to de-escalte situations and find a way out. Just remember that man is the ultimate predator that preys on his kind.

[comanche]

right to carry-i believe in right to carry & right to own-i wont even vote for anyone who doesnt-but i would like people too use common sense on when to excercise that right-i would never fish some where i thought i would have to use that right too be safe to fish there-i have been fishing all my life since old enough too hold a rod-i am 70yrs.now-i hunt & of course i carry a gun or bow then-but not too shoot a person with-i refuse too fish where i have to carry too protect my self from another person-bears are another animal altogether??

[GMTrout]

My last story is probably the hardest one for me to tell. You won't understand it because you have not been there.

When I was younger I went to my friends house. His older brother had severe mental issues. The guy was huge. He decided that day would be fun to torture me. He beat me up and bound my hands to my feet. He placed duck tape over my mouth. He told me he was going to kill me. I believed it. He put the knife up to my throat and pretended to slice it. He didn't pretend to hit me. That he did.. My friend did nothing as I suspected he was also afraid. This went on for two hours. My friend's brother only let me go because his parents were coming home.

Fast foreword to today. Yes I carry a gun almost everywhere I go. Most of the time it is concealed but occasionally I do open carry. There is no threat or intimidation in me. If I am in a situation where my life is in danger I am fully prepared to use it. I won't be placed in a situation again where I am helpless and in fear for my life.

I always try to avoid bad situations by being aware of my surroundings. I also try to de-escalte situations and find a way out. Just remember that man is the ultimate predator that preys on his kind.

O.K.....hmmmm...yup...that's freaky:fear:
I mean I'm no psychiatrist, but am I the only one putting together the pieces here?
Get help NYGunman...GET HELP!!

[GMTrout]

There's gotta be a discussion forum out there for guys that were hog tied as children and never got over it so, as a result, they carry a gun everywhere.
:wave:

[Ditchrat]

There's gotta be a discussion forum out there for guys that were hog tied as children and never got over it so, as a result, they carry a gun everywhere.
:wave:

Are you a flake?

Hog tied children.........
You, you are the kind of guy that got beat up by bullies as a kid

[psac]

It's 8 am, do you know where your AK-47 is?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/09/missouri.school.ap/index.html

[psac]

How about your pistol?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/10/06/wisconsin.school.shooting.ap/index.html

[psac]

It's always the white guy...hmmmmmmm......
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/09/amish.shooting.ap/index.html

[GMTrout]

[QUOTE=NYGunman;64940]
When I was younger I went to my friends house. His older brother had severe mental issues. The guy was huge. He decided that day would be fun to torture me. He beat me up and bound my hands to my feet. He placed duck tape over my mouth. He told me he was going to kill me. I believed it. He put the knife up to my throat and pretended to slice it. He didn't pretend to hit me. That he did.. My friend did nothing as I suspected he was also afraid. This went on for two hours. My friend's brother only let me go because his parents were coming home.
QUOTE]

Looks like the NYGunman guy is the one that was beat up as a kid.

The challenge still stands ratboy... List the names of the rivers you "need" to carry your weapon to as well as your "reasoning" for each. Let's see just how legitimate your "I'll carry whenever and wherever I want" argument is.

[NYGunman]

[QUOTE=NYGunman;64940]
When I was younger I went to my friends house. His older brother had severe mental issues. The guy was huge. He decided that day would be fun to torture me. He beat me up and bound my hands to my feet. He placed duck tape over my mouth. He told me he was going to kill me. I believed it. He put the knife up to my throat and pretended to slice it. He didn't pretend to hit me. That he did.. My friend did nothing as I suspected he was also afraid. This went on for two hours. My friend's brother only let me go because his parents were coming home.
QUOTE]

Looks like the NYGunman guy is the one that was beat up as a kid.

The challenge still stands ratboy... List the names of the rivers you "need" to carry your weapon to as well as your "reasoning" for each. Let's see just how legitimate your "I'll carry whenever and wherever I want" argument is.

As I read your posts I can understand why you don't want people to carry. You don't have the maturity to carry and can't possibly see that others do. You believe that people carry guns for intimidation and attention. Some might but they lose their permits quickly. Most are responsible and carry for protection.

It is sad that you think gun owners are the bad guys on the river. In general we are not the ones drinking, snagging or doing drugs. If you met me on the river you would probably see I am a very nice guy. If others ask me why I am catching fish and they are not, I am willing to share techniques. I will usually give them a few flies to try out if they don't have a good selection. My buddy that also carries everywhere is the same way.

I hope you or a loved one never experiences a bad situation. I hope you can go on and continue to view the world with rose colored glasses. Ignorance is bliss and you seem mighty happy. Stay that way and don't grow up.

[Ditchrat]

[quote=GMTrout;65044]

As I read your posts I can understand why you don't want people to carry. You don't have the maturity to carry and can't possibly see that others do..


Bingo

[GMTrout]

Wake up son!
Maybe while you were off cleaning your gun, you missed the post where I admitted to being a gun owner myself, and a responsible one at that who doesn't see the need for guns on a fishing outing unless your looking for trouble. I take my gun when I go hunting PERIOD...Not when I go to the store, to the river, or to the f-ing ball game.
Guns certainly have their place in this world. But that place is not stuffed in your belt while your on line a McDonalds waiting for your Happy Meal.
Get a grip and leave the f-ing thing at home man! Everyone's not out to get ya.

By the way...loved the generalization about gunowners not drinking, snagging, or doing drugs. I can now see the true level of your education. Elementary my boy...elementary

[GMTrout]

Ditchrat still hiding out, avoiding the question.

[GMTrout]

Ditchrat,
Nice work hiding your views by posting under NYGunman alias

[psac]

Ditchrat,
Nice work hiding your views by posting under NYGunman alias

Now you are just being antagonistic and silly. You started out promoting self control and taking a passive role and now you become the one, non-gun carrying people become scared of. Chill out, relax, and please don't shoot up any school kids.

[Ditchrat]

Ditchrat,
Nice work hiding your views by posting under NYGunman alias

YOUR A F#CKING IDIOT.


Ready boys, here we go, the old Ditch is coming back for a one post vist.


Let me start over go F#ck yourself.

1) You ignorant b@stard I dont need to hide under another name, I say what I feel like saying when I feel like saying it.

2) Your still an ignorant b@stard because you cant read the Fing post an understand.

I ALWAYS CARE MY GUN WHERE I AM LEGALLY PERMITED. NOT TO THE GENNY OR ANY OTHER CRACK HEAD POPULATED PLACE. BUT ALL OVER

Now go STFU, stick you tail between your legs and go crying back to your PETA buddies.

[GMTrout]

NYGunman / Ditchrat approaching the river with high hopes of great fishing...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/News/december_2004/images/Soldiers_Cuban_02.jpg

[GMTrout]

I like the face painting technique Ditchrat. It really hides the ugly in you

[GMTrout]

YOUR A F#CKING IDIOT.


Yup. That's usually how debates with people like you turn out. You've been outsmarted, so the f-bomb is all you have left.

Ready boys, here we go, the old Ditch is coming back for a one post vist.
...and then he's going back in the ditch to put his own crappy components on some Sage blanks and call them "custom"
...and then he'll be back to post again, because with almost 2000 posts in 2 years he's obviously got nothin' else goin' on:focus:

[Ditchrat]

Yup. That's usually how debates with people like you turn out. You've been outsmarted, so the f-bomb is all you have left.


...and then he's going back in the ditch to put his own crappy components on some Sage blanks and call them "custom"
...and then he'll be back to post again, because with almost 2000 posts in 2 years he's obviously got nothin' else goin' on:focus:

And thats how it ends with guys like you, to jealous of everybody else so you attempt to put people down.

but apparently my "crappy components" afford my the oppertunity to hunt, fish and make posts on salmoncrazy.

So I must be doing something right. Bugger off

[GMTrout]

And thats how it ends with guys like you, to jealous of everybody else so you attempt to put people down.



Aw now, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry.
That's right. I am jealous of you. I'm jealuous of the way you maneuver around questions like a politician. I'm jealous of your ability to type "Your a ****in idiot" on the keyboard when you're stumped by an educated question. I'm jealous of your spelling ability of simple words. Most of all, I am jealous because you are the one and only "Ditchrat" and that's something we all strive to be one day:worthy:

[Ditchrat]

Aw now, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry.
That's right. I am jealous of you. I'm jealuous of the way you maneuver around questions like a politician. I'm jealous of your ability to type "Your a ****in idiot" on the keyboard when you're stumped by an educated question. I'm jealous of your spelling ability of simple words. Most of all, I am jealous because you are the one and only "Ditchrat" and that's something we all strive to be one day:worthy:
Read the dam post again.

I never said I carried at the genny for fear of crack heads.

[GMTrout]

You're right. You said you will carry wherever and whenever you please. And my question is....When you carry to the river, what is the reason?

[hizzy19]

I carry because it makes me feel like a real man. :cool:

[GMTrout]

Look man, I'm sorry to dog on your business. Completely uncalled for. Just responding to the "****ing idiot" remark.
The truth is that this is a very debatable topic from both perspectives and, whether you like it or not, the fact that fisherman feel that they need to bring guns to the river is a problem.
All I wanted to find out from all this is why this is happening other than just in crackhead central.

[Ditchrat]

Look man, I'm sorry to dog on your business. Completely uncalled for. Just responding to the "****ing idiot" remark.
The truth is that this is a very debatable topic from both perspectives and, whether you like it or not, the fact that fisherman feel that they need to bring guns to the river is a problem.
All I wanted to find out from all this is why this is happening other than just in crackhead central.

Read the ****ing posts!!!!!!!!

I never said I carry on the salmon river!
I am not a New York resident its a pain in the A$$ to get an out of state permit.

I carry in PA where I am permited for. Get a clue, or a reading comprehension coarse.....

[LesPaul]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Nic]

This whole thing has reached the point of stuipdy. Some people just cant see and level with others views and well; thats why this world is so messed up to begin with. Just like some lifters out thier cant be convienced that they will hit if given the oppertunity. Too stuck in thier ways. Oh well, didnt want or mean to get the pot all stirred up, I kind of got stirred up myself. But it is what it is and I dont need to justify my actions to anyone on here. I had to justify my want to carry to NYS and that was obviously good enough for them to give me the permit to do so.

Ditch, keep the faith brother!!! Your welcome on the river with me anyday

[NYGunman]

Wake up son!
Maybe while you were off cleaning your gun, you missed the post where I admitted to being a gun owner myself, and a responsible one at that who doesn't see the need for guns on a fishing outing unless your looking for trouble. I take my gun when I go hunting PERIOD...Not when I go to the store, to the river, or to the f-ing ball game.
Guns certainly have their place in this world. But that place is not stuffed in your belt while your on line a McDonalds waiting for your Happy Meal.
Get a grip and leave the f-ing thing at home man! Everyone's not out to get ya.

By the way...loved the generalization about gunowners not drinking, snagging, or doing drugs. I can now see the true level of your education. Elementary my boy...elementary
LOL, I can't tell if you are really progun and playing the part of the idiot anti-gunner or a true fool. I guess my level of education does not allow me to see the truth. I'm in the middle of achieving a MBA and a MS in HSM. I do agree that is irrelevant to the discussion of guns and gun rights.

If you don't want to carry a gun with you 24/7 that is your right. You are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong. Carrying a gun concealed to McDonald's is a perfect example of when a gun might be needed. Look at these videos. If I knew I would need a gun to go in a certain place I honestly would not go there. These people in the videos all thought they were safe. A handgun might have allowed them to escape.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8869729470052339581&q=mugged&hl=en

What would you do if you had little kids in the place when this was going on?
http://www.onlyfights.com/./data/fx/1/burger_king_fight.wmv

No one helped this guy. I believe he suffered brain damage.
http://www.bigducky.com/videos/gross_extreme_videos/pizza-fight.wmv

My friend owns Palermos Pizzeria in Utica. It has been robbed 3 times inside. Thankfully no one was hurt. There was only one shooting in there and the guy got hit in the butt. If you go there you can still see the bullet holes in the wall. The drivers have been robbed over 18 times.

[NYGunman]

Ditchrat,
Nice work hiding your views by posting under NYGunman alias

Another example of how wrong you are. I am in no way shape or form connected to the other poster. Do a little research and you'll see that I use the name NYGunman on a few sites. I think 7 or 8 other sites.

[NYGunman]

YOUR A F#CKING IDIOT.


Ready boys, here we go, the old Ditch is coming back for a one post vist.


Let me start over go F#ck yourself.

1) You ignorant b@stard I dont need to hide under another name, I say what I feel like saying when I feel like saying it.

2) Your still an ignorant b@stard because you cant read the Fing post an understand.

I ALWAYS CARE MY GUN WHERE I AM LEGALLY PERMITED. NOT TO THE GENNY OR ANY OTHER CRACK HEAD POPULATED PLACE. BUT ALL OVER

Now go STFU, stick you tail between your legs and go crying back to your PETA buddies.
Try to relax and don't let the idiots get under your skin. I know they can be infuriating at times but they can't help being the way they are. You will also never win an argument with them. I only respond so that the others reading this thread will see them for their true colors. Everything they say is water off a duck's back. Also it is important for non-gun owners to see that we are not the enemy.

[NYGunman]

NYGunman / Ditchrat approaching the river with high hopes of great fishing...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/News/december_2004/images/Soldiers_Cuban_02.jpg
I wish I could have an AK47. Those are great rifles. Stupid NY laws restricts the possession of Class III home defense rifles. All I have is a SAR1.


Before you ask what is the reason for a civilian to own a home defense rifle, I will tell you. Remember Katrina? That was a SHTF scenario where one would need more than a handgun or rifle to protect their homes and family. How about the L.A. riots? Maybe the riots in Ohio? The police could not protect many of the people in those cases.

[NYGunman]

...the fact that fisherman feel that they need to bring guns to the river is a problem.
Is the fact that fisherman feel the need to bring guns to the river really a problem? How many instances of trouble have they caused? Also is the "problem" really a "symptom"? Maybe a symptom of a judicial system that coddles criminals and has very little teeth?

A judicial system that infurates police because they keep arresting the same criminals over and over again. A system so liberal that jail is a joke and not a threat? A system that gives criminals more rights than the police and guards that watch over them?

People like you and Rosie O'Donald make me wonder. You worry about things that are not the problem. You focus your energy to work against the the rights of others. You become part of the problem. Truth is you will not be harmed by us. Hell, Rosie O'Donald should worry more about choking on the donuts she sucks down than dieing from a bullet..

[drew1266]

G Gordon Liddy has a quote that pretty much sums it all up.(paraphrased) " If your going to shoot someone make sure you kill them, so there is only one story, your story, the correct story."

[comanche]

even tho i dont like the idea of people packing heat on the salmon r-i in noway want to be linked with gm trout-that man is over board-a civilizeddis-agreement is one thing-but name calling and foolishment is un-called for--ditchrat is very nice person-an it is only for fishing that i dont like carrying-so please dont link me with him??thank-you!

[cinozzy]

Good weekend at the SR. I carried and didn't accidentally shot anyone. Imagine that. All you anti gunners are ignorant on responsible gun ownership. Get a clue.

[forgiven1]

This all really comes down to our constitutional rights to bear arms. It is very simple, if the law allows for a person with a permit to carry, then what is the problem? I personally don't carry on the river, but would not be intimidated by someone who did.

Don't bash the guys that carry legally, go after the criminals that obtain and carry illegally for purposes other than self protection....like to kill, rob, and destroy! It is sad that more effort is focused on restricting or getting firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens in this country than focusing on the the thugs that kill innocent people everyday.

Semper Fidelis

[Salmonfan]

Wow, all I did was ask a simple question and look at the results! Did not want this to go this way, but it is what it is. Most that have carry permits are resposible. They would be the last ones to intimidate someone. How is it if you carry you're some kind of reprobate? Man, I know it's a hot-button issue, but :censored: people, if you aren't breaking a law then give it rest! I have a license to carry, had to go through alot to get it, too! FBI, and local law enforcement checks and more. Guess I must just be a criminal in waiting just because I carry and the government missed that fact.

[hizzy19]

I guess it all goes back to the few beginning posts/questions... Yes, we have a right to bear arms... Yes, most(probably all) of those with carry permits are law-abiding citizens who aren't looking for trouble... But carrying a handgun on a river ''just because you can'' is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard... I'm not telling anyone not to, or that they are gun-toting maniacs, heck I have a small arsenal in my house... I can understand why you would in Alaska, or even a river swarming with crackheads, but ''because I can'' sounds like a cop-out for tiny wang syndrome...

[KingofKings]

but ''because I can'' sounds like a cop-out for tiny wang syndrome...

:D That's great!

[metalslayer]

Isn't that like not wearing your seatbelt on a short trip??Don't you put it on because you never know when you'll need it??

[NYGunman]

but ''because I can'' sounds like a cop-out for tiny wang syndrome...Actually a lot of gun owner who carry are sick of having to justify their rights. It is the short version of an argument. Most liberals are dumb and it is a waste of time trying to talk to them.

[psac]

Bill of Rights

Amendment II:Right to Bear Arms
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

hmmm.. Call me a dumb liberal, but doesn't it seem that the right to bear arms was set up to make sure that our militia had the ability to protect The Union from outside invasions and to keep Peace within itself? Sounds to me like we might've gotten a little "liberal" with our translation.:D

I don't see where it says in The Constitution "The right to bear arms for the individual to protect themselves from "Crackheads while fishing.":D

[Beards247]

The right to carry arms has been debated for a long time by people likely a lot smarter than us lil fisherman...

Ya'all can blow as hard as you want slinging insults "small wang" and "liberal" - the reality is you aren't going to change a persons viewpoint - or legislation - in a fishing forum.

psac's recitation of the 2nd amendment only underscore the pointlessness of this debate - ...."the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." End.of.story.

[psac]

The right to carry arms has been debated for a long time by people likely a lot smarter than us lil fisherman...

Ya'all can blow as hard as you want slinging insults "small wang" and "liberal" - the reality is you aren't going to change a persons viewpoint - or legislation - in a fishing forum.

psac's recitation of the 2nd amendment only underscore the pointlessness of this debate - ...."the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." End.of.story.

I agree with you beards on the first part of your statement and that this arguement does become pointless. However, I would like to politely disagree with you in regards to the recitation of the second amendment. I feel that part of the problem is that you quoted a section of the amendment without including the whole sentence. I see these quotes all the time in the newspaper where the text is drawn out of context to display the political views of the writer. I hope my Constitution isn't drawn out of context for the sake of stressing a political view. Last time I checked "Justice is blind" and should be followed to "the Letter of The Law"

[kingdady]

How many of you carry a knife on the streams or use a wadding staff?These are also wepons if you want them to be.The point is if you have a permit to carry it is your choice to do so when and where you want and no one elses.:rant: :argue: :bolt:

[tod]

There is a huge difference between gun totting maniacs and those that have permit to carry a pistol.
Any idiot that hasn't been arrested can buy a gun and everyone that is not a criminal has the right to bear arms
In order to recieve a pistol permit you must go thru extensive background checks-the people that pass that test in NY an extremly liberal state are those that have proven to be of sound mind, judgement and extremly responsible
These are not the people to be afraid of THEY HAVE AND CONTINUE TO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THEY ARE OF SOUND MIND those that are threatened by this are not understanding how difficult it is to get a permit in NY

[Salmonfan]

But it say the right of the people, because it is citzens that make up the militia it speaks of, not some standing army. The men who wrote the constitution were very clear in their own personal writings on how the felt about individual citizens owning firearms. Some refer to them as "liberty teeth" even. That is why they sought to protect that right.

[Tiogafishaddict]

lets argue about pop tarts next, seems we can get it on with any subject now a days..:rolleyes:

[kingdady]

:argue: pop tarts suck:laugh:

[Salmonfan]

I like the toaster streudel better myself, you can out the icing on right after you pop 'em out and it melts all nice on top :D

[Ditchrat]

lets argue about pop tarts next, seems we can get it on with any subject now a days..:rolleyes:
What is wrong with you people? What would you like to talk about? The weather, our wives and kids, the current state of politics?

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n., pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə).

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A court of law; a tribunal.This forum is being used for exactly how forums are intend to be used. Sure we go off topic sometimes, but so what.

This forum is not a fishing forum anymore it is a community.

So what I asking is what is the big deal? And whats up with the pop tart debate crap? Are you guys suggesting we just stick to reports and fishing talk.

Pretty boaring if you ask me. I answer my fair share of question here. And I certainly dont need this forum to fish, like many other people here I find that forums in general lose out when members grow past the knowledge base present and look for somehting newer. So what is left for us?
Well the only thing left for me is to answer people question because I enjoy it. So why do people seem to have problems with some health disscussion on topics that effect our lives? I enjoy that too.

Maybe they dont belong in the fishing reports but general disscusion seems to be a place for it.

Long story short boardem drives people not to visit a forum, and it certainly gets the true knowledge seekers looking else where for new information and entertainment. Lets face it this is entertainment for most people here.

[sking389]

I agree that you don't need a gun while fishing. However you could lock same in your vehicle for when you are not fishing and then have it for somewhere where you may need/want it later. There is no need for the gun on the river. It's not like you are fishing in Alaska and may have to "scare" a brown bear away from you. I say scare because you need a canon of a pistol to kill one. Anyway if you carry with a permit you should check with that state you plan to visit before you go because in my state (NJ) you would be in big trouble since there are very few exceptions besides law enforcement that would allow you to carry. Trust me I am in public service. Matter of fact several military people on duty leave were arrested in my town in the past for possessing prohibited firearms. NY may have the same strict laws, especially if you are not law enforcement.
Good luck and keep em concealed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ditchrat]

Isn't that like not wearing your seatbelt on a short trip??Don't you put it on because you never know when you'll need it??

Best way anybody can put it

[RJ's Addiction]

Frosted Strawberry over frosted S'mores:D

[tod]

The way that most legal guns become illegal guns and in the hands of criminals is through theft. In fact I do not know of any gun dealers or manufacturers that distribute to criminals-The way they get them is thru stealing. Sometimes they may be targeting a gun in their theft but most of the time it is an item found during a theft and then sold to even more dangerous criminals then the original thief.

[sking389]

If you lock them in your car. In the trunk or a locked glove compartment. You should be golden, let alone most cars have alarms on them. I am talking about locking them while Salmon Fishing of course. Any other time you should be carrying.

[sking389]

You must of never gone to a gun show or to the big city. If they want guns they can get them. All they need is money or drugs and its definite.

[sking389]

and they are stolen from homes where people don't have a clue of how to secure their weapons. Ie- safe, gunlocks, ammo seperate from the gun.