A question on report posting for all of you

[Ditchrat]

Now Im just as guilty of this, as anybody else but it doesnt seem quite right that people jumped on this current thread in the reports section when 3 weeks ago everybody raised holy hell because somebody made comments about another person fishing techniques.


Odd, I say, very odd, have we choosen favorites. Or has questioning a professionals soberity become more exceptable then to questions anothers ethics?

And Im the last person you would think would stick up for someone, and Im not. Im just making an observation.

And I even made my own thread. LOL

[Junkyard Gypsy]

i agree, no need to beat someone up on their report. my question is, was that a report? Really what was it?

[Ditchrat]

i agree, no need to beat someone up on their report. my question is, was that a report? Really what was it?
Well that is another question all to its self. But there have been many Im going fishing reports followed by the results, so who knows.

If you where looking for info, I just found out the first hand weather and flow, so thats not unhelpfull

[Bunker Breath]

I normally don't stick my nose into on-line squables but I have to admit, there has been a lot of people stepping all over peoples threads lately. It just detracts from the allure of this site. If you have something to contribute, that's one thing, but most of these run-away, "off-the-topic" comments get old fast.

I do agree with Junkyard in that Randy's post really wasn't a report and probably doesn't belong in that Forum.

[Tiogafishaddict]

Well that is another question all to its self. But there have been many Im going fishing reports followed by the results, so who knows.

If you where looking for info, I just found out the first hand weather and flow, so thats not unhelpfull

Hmm im not sure what your getting at,, probably somthing i missed on another thread a while back, is there hypocrits? im sure, i have been guilty of givin someone crap when another person does it ,, i dont see it as bad i guess. but i dont get the over all meaning.

[Junkyard Gypsy]

Keeping it civil is the only way this site will last. TOO MANY sites have failed because this person doesn't like that person, so everytime they post I am gonna blast him. Or this guys keeps fish legally and I am C&R, so i will blast him for that, etc, etc. Who the he11 wants to post a report only to get blasted. Ball busting and blasting are not the same. Now, Where's that shout box at?

[Ditchrat]

Keeping it civil is the only way this site will last. TOO MANY sites have failed because this person doesn't like that person, so everytime they post I am gonna blast him. Or this guys keeps fish legally and I am C&R, so i will blast him for that, etc, etc. Who the he11 wants to post a report only to get blasted. Ball busting and blasting are not the same. Now, Where's that shout box at?


I agree, then this question for you. We have all seen some crappy stuff happen on the river. Many have observed things that have led to the forming of opinions on people.

What is the line between say hey this person is unethical. I would believe that as an honest report or as blasting. And when does honest evaluations of a "product" become blasting? Are we past those discussions now, because we all want to get along? This place has change as its grown, it has to in order to make it, its not wrong that things change. But there was a time when stupid posts in the report section would have been drummed off as a waste and posters take there chances when making questionable posts.

And ball busting is only ball busting if both people are ok with it, otherwise you are blasting someone.

[JeffL]

I just stated my personal thoughts and experiences. Some may feel different some may not. I just call it like a see it and will continue to do so. I have no real favorites but are friendlier and respect some more than others. I use multiple sources to get and share my info and I hope my posts on the thread in question was viewed as more of constructive criticism rather than bashing. My intentions are not to bash anyone, unless of course they deserve it.

[Tiogafishaddict]

I agree, then this question for you. We have all seen some crappy stuff happen on the river. Many have observed things that have led to the forming of opinions on people.

What is the line between say hey this person is unethical I would believe that as an honest report and blasting. And when does honest evaluations of a "product" become blasting? Are we past those discussions now, because we all want to get along? This place has change as its grown, it has to in order to make it, so its not wrong that things change. But there was a time when stupid posts in the report section would have been drummed off as a waste.

And ball busting is only ball busting if both people are ok with it, otherwise you are blasting someone.

so did this happen to someone else you know and the consequences are different? if so,, well people are people, and will treat others differently then the people they know in person i guess, no the world isnt perfect , crap happens,, i c your point but i have also seen it enough to know im not gonna change things.

[Junkyard Gypsy]

Unethical is your opinion on how things should be and are not necesarilly illegal. You have a choice to make your opinion known, but do you need to blast someone to make reinforce you opinion on how things should be? That to me is force feeding philosophy and usually met with :argue:. Discussion is a great thing, but arguements do not have any good product or byproducts from them.

Now if its illegal then society has deemed it unacceptable and you have an obligation to do something.

And Yes BB is kosher if all parties agree, audience included.

[Ditchrat]

so did this happen to someone else you know and the consequences are different? if so,, well people are people, and will treat others differently then the people they know in person i guess, no the world isnt perfect , crap happens,, i c your point but i have also seen it enough to know im not gonna change things.

No it is just an observation, not a trap or fight

[Ditchrat]

Unethical is your opinion on how things should be and are not necesarilly illegal. You have a choice to make your opinion known, but do you need to blast someone to make reinforce you opinion on how things should be? That to me is force feeding philosophy and usually met with :argue:. Discussion is a great thing, but arguements do not have any good product or byproducts from them.

Now if its illegal then society has deemed it unacceptable and you have an obligation to do something.

And Yes BB is kosher if all parties agree, audience included.

Ok, lets say its illegal then. How does that change the discussion?

And I would have used illegal in the hypothetical, but felt it was to harsh to go with. I should have been clearer.

[TOPGUN]

I think JeffL has a good point. If what you are providing is constrtuctive in both nature and tone than it's tough to interprete it as bashing. There's no need for the overtones, drama, and hidden insults. Each person will have a different opinion of what they consider important when it comes to another angler, product etc...ie method, personality, habits, craftmanship etc.

There were some obviously malicious posts in that thread with no other intent than to bash for one reason or another. If you don't like another anglers techniques and you feel that it's all important to let everyone on the site know simply say "eh, I don't care for his....." and LEAVE IT AT THAT. You've stated your opinion, no need to walk all over them or the thread.

I would venture to say we don't need smear compaigns.

Debates about technique, products etc are different. They are always good and in my opinion an integral part of any forum. But again stay constructive, and to the point. Don't waste time attacking anothers opinion just because it doesn't agree with yours or the information you have. State yours and move on.

Sometimes agreeing to disagree is an acceptable thing.

OK, I'll get off the caffeine now......:D

[Beards247]

...doesnt seem quite right that people jumped on this current thread in the reports section when 3 weeks ago everybody raised holy hell because somebody made comments about another person fishing techniques.

Odd, I say, very odd, have we choosen favorites. Or has questioning a professionals soberity become more acceptable then to questions anothers ethics?

Ditch - kudos for a great thread.

The drunk commentary should be taken as it is - a form of satire - using humor to change a specific trait or behavior. Randy's posts are incoherent - I wouldn't even call them reports. He's (hopefully) not drunk, but he should consider improving his posts, his crap posts has been going on since 2004 (http://www.salmoncrazy.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=6060&postcount=3). Did anyone go to far on busting RJ's nuts? Dude, its been going on since 04...

Critizing a guide for illegal fishing tactics is a bit like accusing someone of cutting corners at their job - it happens and more often than anyone wants to admit. Hell - I wouldn't want that kind of pressure - job success is based on getting this dumb*ss into fish? I lose patience with my friends :D and I like them. And unless you've got proof of a guides illegal activity... whats the point of making the accusation? It also goes along way when they volunteer their time (http://www.salmoncrazy.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=43905&postcount=16).

This is just my observation - not the site owner, moderator, rule maker etc - just what I've observed... Guides (or other folks who make a living via the fishery) walk a thin line when posting; mostly report, though subtle promotion is allowable . And if you take the time to review which posts get the best response - keep it 5 - 7 sentences.

[Junkyard Gypsy]

Ok, lets say its illegal then. How does that change the discussion?

And I would have used illegal in the hypothetical, but felt it was to harsh to go with. I should have been clearer.

its a report, guy posts a report. if he is doing something wrong (illegal) bash away. unethical is the opinion of the one reading. does it belong in a report? general discussion, sure. a report is for a writers observations, whether the reader likes him or not. if the comments areconstructive, great, if its a bash then why? because the reader doen't like him? which could lead go back to the original your original post of cliques?

well as far as i'm concerned this is a deadhorse fer me. good thread though.

[goat ball]

Please Lil!:worthy: we need the shoutbox please help us!:worthy:

[Craydaddy]

I am working on it. Got it loaded, just need Lil to link it and we are up and running. I will try to get with Lil after he is done withi his house.

LMFAO!!

[Junkyard Gypsy]

HOORAY, back to talking about poop.:woohoo:

[River Rat]

HOORAY, back to talking about poop.:woohoo:

can't forget a good game of FMK!!!!!!:D :eek:

[Tiogafishaddict]

can't forget a good game of FMK!!!!!!:D :eek:

i got gas, home made chilli cant wait to share it in shout with you guys

[woolybugger65]

Ditch - kudos for a great thread.

The drunk commentary should be taken as it is - a form of satire - using humor to change a specific trait or behavior. Randy's posts are incoherent - I wouldn't even call them reports. He's (hopefully) not drunk, but he should consider improving his posts, his crap posts has been going on since 2004 (http://www.salmoncrazy.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=6060&postcount=3). Did anyone go to far on busting RJ's nuts? Dude, its been going on since 04...

Critizing a guide for illegal fishing tactics is a bit like accusing someone of cutting corners at their job - it happens and more often than anyone wants to admit. Hell - I wouldn't want that kind of pressure - job success is based on getting this dumb*ss into fish? I lose patience with my friends :D and I like them. And unless you've got proof of a guides illegal activity... whats the point of making the accusation? It also goes along way when they volunteer their time (http://www.salmoncrazy.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=43905&postcount=16).

This is just my observation - not the site owner, moderator, rule maker etc - just what I've observed... Guides (or other folks who make a living via the fishery) walk a thin line when posting; mostly report, though subtle promotion is allowable . And if you take the time to review which posts get the best response - keep it 5 - 7 sentences.

well put beards, and by the way, how did you do that "linking" thing in your post?

[gottum]

i got gas, home made chilli cant wait to share it in shout with you guys
nothing like taking this thread to the crapper:eek:
:sorry: :D

[cliff-OH]

I kind of hate to do this since I wouldn't be able to find the computer after a few drinks. Unfortunately, RJ left off the early part of the post to SC that he included on the NY reports area of another site ... and the first part had to do with spending 3 hours in DSR and not seeing any salmon :( ... a pretty good honest report IMHO ... probably enough to drive you to drink, although mangling the Taj Mahal (and somewhat traditional) lyrics is probably inexcusable :rolleyes: ... TNX Cliff

[C-Roc]

Ok, lets say its illegal then. How does that change the discussion?

And I would have used illegal in the hypothetical, but felt it was to harsh to go with. I should have been clearer.
I'd like to respond to your particular question with an example of a situation I encounter regularly on the Streams and Rivers in Niagara County. A fish is caught not necessarliy a Salmon; Steelhead, and Browns are also part of this scenario..."This Person", casually walks over to the bank with the fish in tow...maybe they try to conceal what they are doing but usually not...they flip open a knife and gut the fish and strip out the eggs right then and there...THEN they either fling the carcass into the stream, the weeds on the shore or even leave it on the spot and walk away!!!...OR one better...they "MILK" the fish and then 5-10 minutes later pretend that the fish is fine and "release it" to live another day. I am VERY intersested in response's too this scenario as I'm considering taking some type of action as I see it in the future. I've heard a number of people take the approach that you or I can't change behavior. Maybe not...But I can help that person to be held accountable to their actions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I appreciate your input with regard to this.

[Browntrout5]

I'd like to respond to your particular question with an example of a situation I encounter regularly on the Streams and Rivers in Niagara County. A fish is caught not necessarliy a Salmon; Steelhead, and Browns are also part of this scenario..."This Person", casually walks over to the bank with the fish in tow...maybe they try to conceal what they are doing but usually not...they flip open a knife and gut the fish and strip out the eggs right then and there...THEN they either fling the carcass into the stream, the weeds on the shore or even leave it on the spot and walk away!!!...OR one better...they "MILK" the fish and then 5-10 minutes later pretend that the fish is fine and "release it" to live another day. I am VERY intersested in response's too this scenario as I'm considering taking some type of action as I see it in the future. I've heard a number of people take the approach that you or I can't change behavior. Maybe not...But I can help that person to be held accountable to their actions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I appreciate your input with regard to this.


You are allowed one trout per day, so if you choose to milk it for the eggs and then release it that should count as your fish for the day and not allowed to milk anymore. I personally feel it should be illegal to milk a trout for its eggs unless you are dragging it on a stringer (sorry guys) I understand how effective brown eggs are. When guys start catching 10-12 hens a day and stripping them and then releasing them. Thats where I have a problem.

[C-Roc]

You are allowed one trout per day, so if you choose to milk it for the eggs and then release it that should count as your fish for the day and not allowed to milk anymore. I personally feel it should be illegal to milk a trout for its eggs unless you are dragging it on a stringer (sorry guys) I understand how effective brown eggs are. When guys start catching 10-12 hens a day and stripping them and then releasing them. Thats where I have a problem.
Thank-you Brownie...I completely agree with you!!! I have a good friend who has been a DEC agent for 2 years now and when I tell him about the stuff I see at "The Burt Dam" and some others he always comments that there is no need for a 3 fish daily limit there on Browns!!! Think about 3 female browns and ALL THE FRIGGIN EGGS one female has...3!!!

[Tempe]

I personally feel it should be illegal to milk a trout for its eggs unless you are dragging it on a stringer

I thought it was illegal...

§10.1 Sportfishing regulations.
(a) In accordance with Table A in subdivision (b) of this section, except as provided for in sections 10.2 and 10.3 of this Part, and Parts 11, 19, 35, 36 and 40 of this Chapter, no person shall:

(1) have in possession, take or attempt to take fish of a species listed other than during the open season specified for such species;

(2) have in possession or intentionally kill or unnecessarily injure fish of a species listed of sizes other than those specified and allowed for such species; or

(3) possess, kill or unnecessarily injure fish of a species listed in excess of the daily limit specified for such species except that fish caught and returned to the water immediately without unnecessary injury will not be counted as part of the daily limit.

I would be happy to walk next door to clearify if needed.

[Ditchrat]

I thought it was illegal...

§10.1 Sportfishing regulations.
(a) In accordance with Table A in subdivision (b) of this section, except as provided for in sections 10.2 and 10.3 of this Part, and Parts 11, 19, 35, 36 and 40 of this Chapter, no person shall:

(1) have in possession, take or attempt to take fish of a species listed other than during the open season specified for such species;

(2) have in possession or intentionally kill or unnecessarily injure fish of a species listed of sizes other than those specified and allowed for such species; or

(3) possess, kill or unnecessarily injure fish of a species listed in excess of the daily limit specified for such species except that fish caught and returned to the water immediately without unnecessary injury will not be counted as part of the daily limit.

I would be happy to walk next door to clearify if needed.

Could you?

See if it is legal to harvest a fish by placing it on a stringer, then remove the eggs for water curing? or fresh bait?

Im not talking stripping a caught fish, but one that has clearly been harvested.

I would want this action to be confused as stripping and get fined or even break a law with out knowing I am

[Crazyegg]

oh man we all need some salmon...badly

[pulaskinaut]

If the fish on the stringer was still alive then it theoretically could be released after stripping some eggs so this could be a problem as you would have caused unnecessary harm to the fish. How do you establish that the fish is going to be harvested unless you kill it? I don't know if you can get an answer.

[Ditchrat]

If the fish on the stringer was still alive then it theoretically could be released after stripping some eggs so this could be a problem as you would have caused unnecessary harm to the fish. How do you establish that the fish is going to be harvested unless you kill it? I don't know if you can get an answer.


If im going to harvest a fish or two for eggs, I will gladly kill it so there is no misunderstandings

[scottyfishon/offcreature]

Snap there necks!!!!:woohoo: !!!they are dead quick!! no suffering for all those bleeding hearts out there!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[Beards247]

Snap there necks!!!!:woohoo: !!!they are dead quick!! no suffering for all those bleeding hearts out there!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Fish dude we're talking about fish! :eek: :p

[Ditchrat]

Fish dude we're talking about fish! :eek: :p

In the am Im there