DSR question????

[waterweasle]

ok I'm not real familiar with the entire DSR place, I understand that they own a section of the river( both sides for several miles, I've heard) ok so they own the land all around it, can you float through it, seeing as theres public access above and below? as long as you dont get out of your boat?

[Browntrout5]

As I understand it weasle, you can float through. You can even anchor in the middle of it. But you cant fish. How that is I have no idea. Maybe someone can explain

[flyguy]

Float through yes, anchor/fish/get out--no; unless you have an access pass.

[stackmend]

Float as you like . Just don't anchor, touch a rock with a paddle,or throw out a line that reaches bottom and I think your all right.

[get the net]

You can float through, You can anchor, you can get out and push your boat. Anything it takes to navigate the water. YOU CAN'T FISH!!

[woolybugger65]

did something change recently? a few years back we floated w/a nameless guide from altmar all the way thru to the lighthouse. our guide had told us that they were a limited # of "passes" (prolly a bad term) that were issued to guides to float/fish thru. apparently he had one. if i remember correctly they were drawn like a lottery and they did have to pay. we didn't get out. just plugged our way down thru it. it was steelie season.
is this correct? or did he "sneak thru"?

[champlain fisher]

If he did not show you a pass - chances are he snuk through. I would have wanted to see a pass for that before he started fishing it..... otherwise he risked getting the law called on everyone in the boat and taken away in cuffs.

[Ditchrat]

You can float through, You can anchor, you can get out and push your boat. Anything it takes to navigate the water. YOU CAN'T FISH!!

Explain why you cant fish. If they own the bottom of the water, by law fine. But how can they stop you from drifting through running plugs, so long as you do not touch their bottom. They dont own the water or the fish. I get the whole bouncing bottom with lead, could be considered tresspass, but a plug or streamer that doesnt touch bottom no way.

And there are other places where people own the bottom of the river where people drift through and fish but dont ever touch bottom and there is nothing the owners can do. Why is this place different? For that matter there is nothing to stop someone who has a jet boat from buzzing up and down that stretch of water, other then the lead that would knock you out (and rightfully so) from pissed of fisherman. In fact I know a couple people with jet boats that are considering running the whole river next season. I know Im not going on that trip:D

[JeffL]

I've seen drifts boats plug the glide before. That was about 4 years ago so maybe things have changed.

[get the net]

After the 10 guides that fought for the right to navigate and fish, the end result was that it is a navigable river BUT that Barclay owned the fishing rights to that area.

[CTA]

How can he own the right to fish for publicly owned fish? We pay the taxes to pay to raise and stock these fish, so how can he control who catches them?

[Biggie]

When you go to the "big" court, and you have political pull, you get what you want, not what's right.:eek:

[champlain fisher]

How can he own the right to fish for publicly owned fish? We pay the taxes to pay to raise and stock these fish, so how can he control who catches them?

Thats not the only place in the state this goes on. The Ausable River that runs into Lake Champlain is heavily posted a couple of miles up from the mouth. Both sides and an ex fisheries biologist owns the property and he only allows a select group to fish it - for no charge. But that is it, no pay and said amount number per day allowed to fish it. It is a private fishery for a select few and the publics money is used to raise and stock those fish. Doesn't make the DSR sound so bad now does it.

[mkrout]

so because you pay taxes and buy a license you own the fish?

I pay social security too, but I don't own the 80 year old up the street that collects it.

[champlain fisher]

:D so because you pay taxes and buy a license you own the fish?

I pay social security too, but I don't own the 80 year old up the street that collects it.

Now that was funny:D

[VTSteelheader]

This discussion about being on the river in the DSR but not being able to fish has gone on for a while. Has anyone every been arrested or know of anyone that has been arrested for being on the river (in a boat& fishing) in the DSR without a pass? If you go up river from the estuary, there is only one VERY SMALL No Tresspasing sign and if you took one on the many channels up river you would never see it. It also says nothing about what we are really discussing. If somome was traspasing by boat and was making a few casts and was aressted i think they would have a pretty good case to fight it. I personally would not sit in the middle of the river while some knuckle head told me to wait while he called the police for tresspassing....

[Bluefin]

Actually, there are 1 or 2 places that their own map shows they do not control at least half of certain holes. If you can get there without touching their property, there is nothing they can do about it.

[Ditchrat]

This discussion about being on the river in the DSR but not being able to fish h there is only one VERY SMALL No Tresspasing sign and if you took one on the many channels up river you would never see it. ....

Thats a whole nother topic for debate. Tresspass laws are very specific about distances, info on signs, ect... While incorect posting of land doesnt mean you have permision, it does mean you can not be fined. Also if any one every trys to tell you that you must leave a piece of land and you feel like being a jerk, you can force them to prove that they are the land owner. Remember farm land does not have to be posted in NY, for you to get hit with a tresspass fine.

[flyguy]

Guys that look for loopholes are the same guys who later complain about too many regulations.

[Browntrout5]

I was just curious Loren. Will you still be able to guide your clients in the DSR after 12/31 even if they dont stay at DSR lodging? I know you do a lot of your guiding in the DSR. What about other guides who almost exclusively fish the DSR?

I am not going to rant much about what is right or wrong with the DSR. What I am having a hard time understanding is you can still fish the DSR after 12/31 if you stay at thier lodge. What about the locals who might prefer fishing the DSR over the FZ's in the middle of Winter. So they get shafted because they can drive home in 15 minutes or half hour? I will use someone like Metal Slayer for example. To me it sounds like they are trying to force people to stay at thier lodging and make more $ in the Winter time with less overhead and costs. I am not familiar with what the DSR charges to lodge each night. Maybe someone can chime in

[flyguy]

No, I cannot fish after 12/31, and I can only guide lodge customers.

Please, do not make this any more than a response to decreased usage. Like it or not...that is all it is.

[cliff-OH]

Allowing Lodge customers to fish after 12/31 makes a lot of sense. The River Keepers will have a good idea of the max number of folks fishing DSR, they won't have to keep the parking lot open on the N side, and at 750 or above, they will have little to worry about who may or may not be DSR legal on the north side of the river -- too bad we lose the option of fishing DSR after 12/31, but it makes economic sense to me ... Cliff (someone who rarely fishes DSR in the first place)