Banning the use of trout eggs...?

[Tiderunner]

I've heard through the grape vine that there's some people out there that are trying to get trout eggs banned from being used in the tribs. What do you guys think about that?

Apparently the reasoning behind this ban was that the fishing out west was slow, and everyone is killing brown trout for eggs. Not BT charters limiting out daily all spring and summer, nope, it's the people in the tribs that are taking all the fish.

I think this is a complete JOKE.

I'll hold back my reasoning for the time being. I'm really curious what everyone else here thinks

[Browntrout5]

I have no problem with taking eggs from a brown or two a day. I would like to see a rule where if you take the eggs from a brown, you have to take the fish home. I have seen too many guys squeeze eggs from one brown hen right after another. And then they just dump the fish back into the river. In my own opinion they ended up dying later. They might as well have put 10 browns on a stringer that day. I fished out west this past fall and noticed the brown #'s were down. Well no kidding considering that most the eggs are going into spawn sacs and not into the river beds. :(

[FISHON!]

i agree with you but i also think there is a greater problem in the lake

[the happy salmon]

put and take.... enough said!

[Tiderunner]

most the eggs are going into spawn sacs and not into the river beds. :(

Just wondering, is there any natural repo documented on BT? I know of one stream that does have it, and I won't name it here (probably not even at gunpoint:D ) Oak was slow this year. but the other tribs in the area were good to excellent for me. Don't know why the oak sucked, probably the pressure. In my opinion, the BT are fine. we should be worried about steelhead instead.

[Browntrout5]

Just wondering, is there any natural repo documented on BT? I know of one stream that does have it, and I won't name it here (probably not even at gunpoint:D ) Oak was slow this year. but the other tribs in the area were good to excellent for me. Don't know why the oak sucked, probably the pressure. In my opinion, the BT are fine. we should be worried about steelhead instead.


That is probably true Tide, I have read a lot of reports this year about the #'s of browns being great on the eastern tribs. Maybe there was a shift this year in food sources. I firmly believe that the tribs out West suck for spawning habitat. The East tribs are better. There are far more rivers in the East with gravel bottoms than the sand and silt rivers out West. The Oak has good #'s of browns that reproduce, I have witnessed a lot of spawning pairs in the act. Whether or not the offspring lived to come back another day is another story. Another reason brown #'s could be down, the steelhead #'s are way up in my opinion, ecspecially at the Oak.

[Tiderunner]

I could be wrong, but I think the steelhead numbers are up in the oak due to the pen rearing project. The oak used to get the majority of its steelhead from late winter into spring, now they are getting them earlier and earlier.

Either way, I don't think this "proposal" will ever go though. It's going to cause a TON of problems. "excuse me sir, let me see your eggsacks" hopefully this is just some stupid person's stupid idea, and it won't go anywhere!

[Kinghookjaw]

sounds like another loony with a bad case of cabin fever. I personally have no problem keeping a hen brown/steelie a year for its eggs, but only if the fish goes on a stringer and is eaten. Jack the Ripper and I kept a hen each this year and got enough eggs from both to fill up 2-gallon sized ziploc baggies... thats enough eggs to last me a few seasons. i dont really pay much attention to the lake fishery and the regulations, but I do know that their limits are greater than those alloted to trib fishermen. As far as fish numbers on the western tribs go... I have been wondering myself. This year and last have been the worst for me so far, with very few hookups and the fish I did hook were relatively small, mostly in the low to mid 20" class. I did however hit some slammers in some smaller waters though.

I think it's interesting to note that the Salmon River, a river not really known for its brown trout run, has seen brown trout numbers steadily rise the past couple seasons. A few years ago, you chances of getting a steelie in the salmon river were better than getting a brownie, and this year my fishing group of 5 landed atleast 2 a piece. Dont know if that really has any significance towards the oak orchard issue, but could it be that the fish are turning towards heavier water flows and somewhat better water quality. Brown trout #'s on the Oswego and other creeks seem to be fine according to pictures and reports.

anyways, enough of that...

FISH ON!

[jcstikfish]

They might as well have put 10 browns on a stringer that day.

That is a problem! Even if you view it as put and take.


~James

[metalslayer]

The new Goat Ball isn't behind this push for the ban--is he??;)

[goat ball]

I am lobbying for a dry fly only section on the Salmon River. Flies must have hook bend cut off to ensure no fish will be harmed. I think people will appreciate the take more than the fight.:p

[gman2153]

I think the health of the Brown Trout population on Lake O tribs is fine - especially on the Eastern Side, but from a pure ethical standpoint:

If you want eggs, keep the fish per legal daily creel limit.

If you get caught milking eggs and tossing a fish back in water $150 fine per fish...

[Bunker Breath]

I'm kind of curious; is there any law that forbids the milking of eggs followed by the release or dumping of the fish in any of our prospective states (aside from gutting and dumping Salmon...that one I know)? Not that I condone it, I was just curious.

[Tiderunner]

there's no law against milking per se, but there is a law against "undue harm" the same one they use for guys pulling on a pooper hooked salmon for 4 hours.

[Bunker Breath]

Was just wondering. I had never seen a written law specifically stating "no milking" (although that should apply to Gman after those groping photos that were posted - LOL) but I've seen folks milking fish and looking around real guilty-like as if they were robbing a convenience store...then put the fish back as if nothing had happened.

[Tiderunner]

This discussion reminded me of a photo I had that Fluke sent me of a brown he kept for eggs. It's so beautiful, it brings tears to my eyes to know what I can do with that ziploc bag:D :D

Eat your heart out Mr. Anti-Trout egg guy!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/eggsniffer/eggs.jpg

[flyguy]

Trout eggs are considered toward your limit. Meaning: If you milk one fish then you have kept one fish--even if the fish itself was released.

[goat ball]

Eat your heart out Mr. Anti-Trout egg guy!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/eggsniffer/eggs.jpg

Tiderunner, I hope you are not referring to me. My dryfly comment was an absolute joke. Those who know me refer to me as the EGG HO:D

[Tiderunner]

no, I was referring to whoever is involved with trying to ban trout eggs.:p
How about a full dress salmon fly only section?;) since they take 8 hours to tie, and retail for over 100 bucks a piece. that would take the pressure of the fish:rolleyes::laugh:

[Steelie11]

I would like to know, if they even try to put this :crazy: idea in motion, how are they going to enforce it:confused: The sniff test:confused: But I do know that there are some people who just want to totally ruin trib fishing but not touch any of the regs on the lake because most of their fishing and pay checks come from the lake. You never hear about the #'s of browns taken in the spring on the lake, and some boats do 2 charters a day. :jawdrop:

[get the net]

Instead of having every D.E.C. cop from all over the country side potroling the Salmon River for snagging half dead fish maybe they should be more aware of what people do to the trout. Have them hang around all the small tribs for the month of november!!!

[Ditchrat]

put and take.... enough said!

We all are entitled to our limits, if there is a problem that is were it should be addressed

[gman2153]

Before this thread goes the way of

Lakers -vs- Tribers,,

I honestly see no reason for concern by trib guys because their is no problem...

You are allowed to catch & keep 3 female browns in a single day if you desire. Since you kept the fish, the eggs are yours...

Now, even if you fish steady all winter, a few days harvest of fish eggs is plenty enough to get you through the season, unless you are selling them commercially or under the table...

so, Where's the Beef? :confused:

p.s. - and like I stated b4, if a DEC officer catches someone milking, fine their Poacher Azzes for $150 a fish.

[get the net]

The problem is guys leaving the dead trout in the weeds after they take the eggs. Thats the nosence that has to stop! Iv'e seen it in more than one tribe in the same day.

[gman2153]

Then the fine should be $300 a fish, loss of fishing privileges for 2 years,and a swift kick in the Arse because Bozo's like that have no respect for the resource whatsoever. NITWITS.

[get the net]

I use as many trout eggs as the next guy, mabe more but all the trout I take get used, smoked,given to people who appreciate them, or eat them myself. There is no need to discard them on the banks that you catch them. I want to continue to use trout eggs,not to have a couple of guys ruin it for the rest of use!

[fluke]

I see more people keep the fish on the tribs to eat then for the eggs. If you go to the fish cleaning stations they have a ton of brown eggs that people dont want when there fish are cleaned.

[Tiderunner]

I want to continue to use trout eggs,not to have a couple of guys ruin it for the rest of us!

can I get a hell yea?! their is no problem because of people's use of trout eggs for bait. it's the one bad apple that his proposal is jumping on. what a joke! there is not a brown trout problem. people come from all over the world to fish for LO browns.

the problem is people sitting around thinking up new, unecessary regs. I'm told there's also people that think that steelhead DON'T BITE in Jan and Feb... naturally that's from guys that don't know their azz from a hole in the ground. I'm glad to see a well connected group of people here. that HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON!! way to go everybody! don't let a clueless minority have any power.

I'm behind fighting any of these stupid proposals 100%:cool: :woohoo: