Lead in NYS

[goat ball]

That slinkie thread got me thinking. I assume NYS is heading towards banning lead use alltogether. Once this happens, How do you think this will affect centerpin fishing. Shot patterns ect? I would think the steel shot will not present the bait as effective because of density, and shinyness. Any thoughts?

[Craydaddy]

Yea my only thought!! I LIVE IN PA!! :D :eek: :rolleyes:

[gman2153]

Cray I have boxes and boxes full of lead shot I bought last year... You are right, that imitation lead stuff is sheet.

If they ban its use in NY - what are you gonna do?

I can melt my lead down into a statue of the Happy Salmon, or I can be illegal and keep using it... Guess I will have to drink a few Natty's and ponder that fer awhile...

[Flyfishr]

Unless the DEC officers are going to start carrying magnets in there pockets I'm sure most will keep on using it...

[troutz99]

That slinkie thread got me thinking. I assume NYS is heading towards banning lead use alltogether. Once this happens, How do you think this will affect centerpin fishing. Shot patterns ect? I would think the steel shot will not present the bait as effective because of density, and shinyness. Any thoughts?


Already has non lead shot out.Its green in color,and is in egg shot form.I bought some to try out this summer to find out what size adjustments are needed to be made using this non lead shot.But going to hold off on using it until the next white water release for the 'yakers.Only because those are close to the flows you'd find during the winter on the SR.I'll try to let you all know how it goes.But its probably going to be sooner than later when NY state bans the use of lead shot al together.

[Lil Salmon]

Unless the DEC officers are going to start carrying magnets in there pockets I'm sure most will keep on using it...

Would someone explain to me how they would go about policing a lead shot ban? That would be extremely interesting. :)

-Lil'

[Browntrout5]

It would be impossible, thats like saying that nobody can use monofilament anymore and trying to stop it. Fishing line does more to birds than lead. I agree they should at least limit the amount being used on certain areas where diving birds inhabit or feed. I dont know if anyone else has noticed, ducks and geese #'s are increasing to the point where they are a major problem.

[Lil Salmon]

I think the initial lead shot ban is more of a 'feel-good' law than something of substance.

[Fish-N-Chip]

It's going to be like the airport!! You'll have to walk through a lead detector before you can hit the stream. You'll have to take off your boots as well to prove there aren't any in them. All your gear gets put on the conveyor to get scanned also.:rolleyes:

If they find lead on you, it can be mailed back to your home as long as it's legal in your state. :p

The undercover agents will have a special lead detector wand for streamside cavity searches. :eek:

~ Chip

[Lil Salmon]

LMAO! :D

Chip, I seriously almost peed my pants!

-Lil'

[Craydaddy]

Already has non lead shot out.Its green in color,and is in egg shot form.I bought some to try out this summer to find out what size adjustments are needed to be made using this non lead shot.But going to hold off on using it until the next white water release for the 'yakers.Only because those are close to the flows you'd find during the winter on the SR.I'll try to let you all know how it goes.But its probably going to be sooner than later when NY state bans the use of lead shot al together.

I already tried that stuff. It is JUNK!!!!!!!!! You wasted 8 bucks just like I did. I had to put 3 of the biggest shot under it to even budge a small top notch float!!

It is crap. Call me wrong but I don't care. I am using lead. People always say I am wrong for things I do. I don't care. See I am wrong for this to my truck!! I don't care!! LMFAO!!

http://www.thecraydaddy.com/images/postpics/fatchicks.JPG

LONG LIVE LEAD!!!!!!!!!

[ReininBows]

Cavity searches huh...hmmmmm :p LMAO

[JStreamside]

If the DEC can't even keep a handle on guys keeping foul-hooked fish...and I won't even get in to them "trying" to police fishing "methods"...there is no reasonable way they could police "lead" effectively. The only thing that would be remotely possible is "random searches" on the water. And we all know that won't fly.

The idea behind the lead ban is the sale of it in NY to decrease it's usage (and effects) on the habitat and wildlife. With that said, I (along with many others) have found an outside sources (kind of like the "Lead Underground" if you will). That replacement stuff is crap as far as I've seen and costs an arm and a leg. When fishing the Ballpark last season, a friend and I were surrounded by guys using it. Take a wild guess how much of that junk they were using to "get to the bottom"...looked like 6 or 7 size 2's on there.

We were using lead and had 1-#5 and 1-#7 and that was it (the river was running around 475 cfs). Not only did we hammer the fish, but had very few fish get foul-hooked...yes, it happens to everyone when the fish get stacked. Nearly every other fish we saw hooked (and landed) that day were foul-hooked. This in part (I think) was due to the increased drag and poor drift qualities of that tin junk...guys were simply getting desperate and doing whatever it took to hook fish. Not to mention many constantly loosing a quarter of a bag when they got hung-up. I don't recall seeing many of them get their terminal gear back once they got snagged, either.

Now, when you consider that two of us fished the same area for 2-1/2 days and went through about (10) shot a piece, as opposed to bags full of the other stuff like most guys, I say I'll find a way to fish flies or eggs with the lead. You loose far less terminal gear, especially line, and the fish are more inclined to take an offering that isn't being presented with "chrome cannonballs".

The push is on with us to go to an even more traditional approach to fish the SR with specialty sink-tip lines and almost no shot at all. But fly fishing isn't everybody's bag (and the SR, or NY waters, shouldn't be made as such). So for those that can still get their hands on lead shot (or bismuth like duck hunters) I say use what works best for your type of fishing. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't...I'll use the lead until they invoke the "Assume the position law" on it.

[Fish-N-Chip]

I'll be bringing a weight set up to the clambake I tried and loved last year. Very similar to the Toobiez product. Just a bit bigger and geared more towards the Salmon river. I didn't lose 1 weight for over 3 days. It's a bit expensive, but since I'm not losing weight as often, it's worth it to me in the long run.

Chip

[Browntrout5]

That peta sticker is priceless! Where did you get it?

[the happy salmon]

I already tried that stuff. It is JUNK!!!!!!!!! You wasted 8 bucks just like I did. I had to put 3 of the biggest shot under it to even budge a small top notch float!!

It is crap. Call me wrong but I don't care. I am using lead. People always say I am wrong for things I do. I don't care. See I am wrong for this to my truck!! I don't care!! LMFAO!!

http://www.thecraydaddy.com/images/postpics/fatchicks.JPG

LONG LIVE LEAD!!!!!!!!!That is awesome cray!!!! i have tons of the stuff!!!! they can pry the lead out of my cold dead hands!!!!! like lil said, there is no way they can police it. all they can do is stop selling it! i mold my own weights and jigs, i get my lead from a buddy at the local tire shop. did you ever see the wheel weights to balance your tires. if you ever need lead, check out your local garage or go to the junkyard. you will have more than enough lead for a lifetime to make your own splitshot!:D

[JStreamside]

Hey boys (and girls) make sure to take extra precautions when smolting your own weights. Wear a respirator mask (and make sure its a good one) and try to do it where it's extremely well ventilated.

There are a couple of older guys around here that will vouch for what smolting your own sinkers and jigs out of tire weights can do to you. Both are now in a losing battle with cancer and each case was directly linked to overly high levels of lead in their blood. One guy did it as part of his tackle shop...the other made just enough "stuff" for himself and 4 or 5 friends. Way too high a "price-tag" for me to even consider trying the process.

[Salmonfan]

As far as I know, you can use lead if you have it. Just can't buy it anymore. I bought a small bag of that substitue junk this year and it SUX A$$ !!! I'll dig through my old piles of fishing gear to find every nugget of lead I can find, I am NOT using that substitue crap. I bought a bag of lead sinkers at Fat Nancy's about 3 years ago, and I still have some left (thank the fishing gods for that):D

[Biggie]

Speaking of using wheel weights to make split shot, we used to make those big ones for the Oswego back during my days fishing off the "wall". The only problem is, that lead is pretty hard and needle nose pliers were needed to crimp the shot to the line.................I bet the first to police the "no lead use" would have to be the DSR! I can see it now....."OK boys, everybody out of the car and show us all of your gear.....and BTW take any wheel weights off you wheels just in case you're going to try and make lead in the lot...........if we catch you, you will be banned for life!.......Oh, and that will be $25! :D

[Craydaddy]

That peta sticker is priceless! Where did you get it?

We had them at Kinsey's Outdoors when I worked there. You can get them at any sign shop. I am sure they have a Calvin sticker somewhere!

Oh happy the chicks did the sticker!! LMFAO!!! :cool: One loved it so much she wanted me out of my truck to meet her knuckles!! :eek:

[JStreamside]

SFan...no worries on the lead "supply". I have a brother-in-law that lives in CT and whenever I need lead I just have it shipped to his house from Cabela's. I have the attached "note" simply read...Merry Christmas! No fuss...no questions asked...then when he visits, they just bring it with them. I think my last "order" a year ago weighed something like 14 lbs. GOT LEAD???

Oh, though it's not through the PM...(SFan) this coming weekend is still uncertain as I'm currently on the "DL"...blew something out in my right leg/knee on Saturday that still hurts like hell. Been doing the ice / heat thing on and off for 3-days and haven't made much progress. On the other hand, I could just sit on the bank and "coach" while you fish. I'll know more by this time tomorrow...going to do a straight 12-hours ice and heat pack to see if that improves things.

[Salmonfan]

JS - have that checked out. Same thing happened to my step-father and he'd been doing all that treatment stuff like you are for a month or so to no avail. Turns out he's got a torn meniscus and a bakers cyst resulting from the tear. Better to be safe than sorry, the fall fishing season is just around the corner and you don't wanna miss me nailing my first king and some steel on that fly rod!!!:D

[Carpy]

As honest and responsible fisherpersons, it is our duty to quit using lead and follow all game laws. Its up to us to police our waters and take the crime out.

[Browntrout5]

Huh? When did it become a crime to use lead? If it ever becomes illegal to use in NY I would rank that law right up there with it being illegal to tear a tag off a mattress. There are far more important issues that need to be policed by fishermen/women than the use of lead split shot

[ReininBows]

You tear those tags off??? LMAO :D

[Craydaddy]

As honest and responsible fisherpersons, it is our duty to quit using lead and follow all game laws. Its up to us to police our waters and take the crime out.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!! THIS COMING FROM YOU!!! :eek: HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!

[onemorecast]

JS I feel your pain I blew out my right knee last Teus,tore my ACL and MCL started physical therapy thurs hoping to get it strong enough for salmon season or I'll be standing on the bank. Go get it checked out.

[JStreamside]

When it becomes illegal to USE lead in NYS (as with lead-shot for duck hunting), then I won't use it any longer. But as long as people can get it for me (or to me) from other sources outside NY...well, the other option is hogging half a run on the river to fish it properly with traditional fly gear. NOT!!!...won't happen on the SR. If lead does get banned for usage, I'll just make slinkies out of bismuth shot.

As for the knee blow out One...mine was no where near as severe. Just the inside of the thigh above the knee...kind of like an inner hamstring. Still hurts a bunch, but the icy / hot and leg wrap have helped somewhat. If it doesn't improve by this time next week, I'll be back to see the medicine man...just have to take it easy. Even if I have to gimp my way along the SR and out to Erie, I'm goin'!!!

Cray referred to me as "shorty" so he can carry my a$$ if needs be...ever see those backpacks for kids...well, I'm ridin' shotgun!!! I'll just have to duck when I see the pink worm comin' at my head doing 500 miles an hour!! But, it will be a win / win situation for him 'cause I can let him know when the fat chicks are movin' in to ambush him over that bumper sticker of his!!! Now that would make for some real interesting river footage!!! Cray beats-off crazed FC's with pink worms and the pin rig!!!! LMAO!!!

[ReininBows]

The pink worms may attract em :p LMAO you guys are sooo bad!

[Lil Salmon]

OMG ... i think i almost pissed myself! LMAO! Nice visual J.

-Lil'

[gman2153]

Even if I have to gimp my way along the SR LMAO!!!

Whew - what a relief - for a second there - I thought you typed PIMP!!!:D

Hope you heal up soon buddy.

[Craydaddy]

Cray referred to me as "shorty" so he can carry my a$$ if needs be...ever see those backpacks for kids...well, I'm ridin' shotgun!!! I'll just have to duck when I see the pink worm comin' at my head doing 500 miles an hour!! But, it will be a win / win situation for him 'cause I can let him know when the fat chicks are movin' in to ambush him over that bumper sticker of his!!! Now that would make for some real interesting river footage!!! Cray beats-off crazed FC's with pink worms and the pin rig!!!! LMAO!!!

OMG!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

[ReininBows]

Heeey wait a minute, I am one of those fat chicks. And yes pink worms would attract, they're high in protein right Barney :p But Cray, I can jump (on a horse) right over yur truck lol.
How did we get from lead to leada$$,,,it's JS's fault ;)

[gman2153]

Heeey wait a minute, I am one of those fat chicks.

Dear Val:
You are not fat ---you are a HOTTIE!!!!!!!!!!;)

[Craydaddy]

Your horse can jump over 8 ft??? I didn't think they could jump that high!! ;)

[ReininBows]

Well thank you Gjinx :) but I am a FC lol
Cray I don't own a horse but have shown many. No 8' would be almost the outdoor record, but I could do 4'6" with a 4' spread (width that is) lol ;)

[coolrobc]

You or the horse?:eek:

Sorry couldn't resist;)

[Salmonfan]

Wow, this almost getting pornographic here:eek: All kidding aside, alright, I'm not done yet as the thought of JS limping along using his rod as a cane is just too much to pass up:D Just be ready Jon when we hit the Ballpark this fall, with all the hooks we found in the river you'll "end" up with some funky piercings and attract the wrong kind of attention should you lose your balance and take a tumble. And if you were pimping, go for those "Altmar Girls" that were discussed in a previous post. OMG would that be a good one for future posting.............."Gimp Pimp and the 200 pounders"

[ReininBows]

LMAO Coolrob and SF.........but where's the pornography??? Blonde,,,I musta missed out on somethin ;)

[JStreamside]

:eek: OK...wait a second...let's get this out of the gutter SF

First and foremost, NONE of the my own custom fly rods get used as a walking stick...I'll use the one you got from me!!!

Next...I've seen pics of RB in the photo gallery and any woman that looks that good in waders in the dead of winter is most certainly a "hottie" to me!!! And I'm with Val on the "porno" thing...I got this going in the wrong direction when I busted on Cray. SOOOO...what did I miss???

And last, but not least, I'll GIMP my way around the SR, area tribs and Erie because I simply enjoy fishing for the big boys (& girls) that much. Rest assured that the river "Pimpin'" is best left in the hands of the "experts" that have already been deemed as such and have total claim to that enterprise.:cool: :cool: I'll just be happy to be on the water for another season at this point in time.

Now, if all will excuse me, I've got to go pick-up my new pair of "Pink River Crutches"...gotta make sure everyone can see me gimpin' behind Cray while clearin' the SR of 200-pounders!!!:eek: :D :eek:

(Hope nobody is offended by all of this, but when you're hurtin' and down a bit stuff like this helps with the healing).

[Salmonfan]

Sorry 'bout the porn thing, but all that talk about "pimps" and "spread" got my warped mind going in the wrong direction:p Either way, back to the original point : I'm using lead until it's illegal to use it, but as long as there's a way, I have the will.

[Ditchrat]

Your horse can jump over 8 ft??? I didn't think they could jump that high!! ;)


Youd jump higher then that If I put a saddle on you and hopped on:D

[Craydaddy]

Hahahahahahaha!!!

[the happy salmon]

this thread is insane!!!!:D

[goat ball]

Yea, leave it to me to start a thread that talks about lead and porn. LOL. I think we should have a silent auction for lead at the clambake for all NYS guests!! Like they say "One mans garbage is another mans treasure. You PA guys really don't know the hoops we NY guys have to jump through to get a size BB shot!!. Especally people like me who don't want the risks associated in making my own and don't live next to any state border!!

[floatfisher]

I am a little late on this but...


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LMFAO!!!!!!!!! THIS COMING FROM YOU!!! :eek: HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!


You took the words right out of my mouth Cray!!! LOL!!!

I for one will continue to use lead until I get caught (if it ever becomes illegal) just like I will stack my weight under my float greater than 4' or not!!! I am not worried about getting caught, I have lived and fished in NY my whole life and have never once been checked by an ECO (I am knocking on wood as I type this, and no it is not because of where this thread has gone{Val, porno, pimps, spread} LOL!!!).<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[ReininBows]

I was sittin here thinkin Carpman was serious, am I gullible or what? lol. And I will use lead and am known for measurin my float as to my height, which is 5' 6". So I just measure from eye level to the ground. I never been checked for fishin, just for swimmin and a cooler fulla beers and usually a smile and a "sorry officer" gets me outta it, last time I just bent down ta pick up my gear and all was good, in fact he walked me to my car which was apparently illegally parked lol ;) But if yur nice and respectful it all goes well.
So where is this porn??? Believe me I'm lookin, but I'm missin it :p
I better pull outta this thread before Fin comes on and reprimands me again, he might send me to the corner for a time out :p

[coolrobc]

Well thank you Gjinx :) but I am a FC lol
but I could do 4'6" with a 4' spread (width that is) lol ;)

and then I said...

You or the horse?:eek:



referring to the 4'6" with a 4' spread... man I never new that your mind was so innocent Val?:confused:

I'm starting to think that I only reply to the off topic posts, so here's something on topic. I really gotta get down to PA to get some lead, I fished with the imatation stuff last year and it SUCKED. I couldn't believe how much I had to use.

[ReininBows]

Oh man you took that outta context buddy! I'm outta here, Im' goin fishin or tannin,,whateva ;)

[JStreamside]

Cool...the easiest way I've found to get lead is just order it from Cabela's (for example) and have it shipped to a bud from the site that doesn't live in NY. Just have a message with it...like Enjoy the Water or Happy B-Day and the person taking the order doesn't get suspicious. Well, at least not so much until you order 14 lbs at once like I did.

Even with the shipping it cheaper than all the money in gas you'd spend hopping state lines. Just have your bud bring it with them when you fish together. No fuss...no muss...got lead. The only down side to the process is I tried to place the order on-line and the computer system wouldn't let me do it due to the restrictions for sale to NY residents. You'll have to call the order in to a rep directly.

[Carpy]

I am a little late on this but...



You took the words right out of my mouth Cray!!! LOL!!!

I for one will continue to use lead until I get caught (if it ever becomes illegal) just like I will stack my weight under my float greater than 4' or not!!! I am not worried about getting caught, I have lived and fished in NY my whole life and have never once been checked by an ECO (I am knocking on wood as I type this, and no it is not because of where this thread has gone{Val, porno, pimps, spread} LOL!!!).<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Hey man i'm getting better, and what i said is true..I just never claimed to be honest, law abiding or responsible..lol...You may see me somewhere on the river this fall selling 20 sacks of lead, full weight even...Must supplement the income somehow.

[gottum]

You PA guys really don't know the hoops we NY guys have to jump through to get a size BB shot!!
It's nice to have GOOD friends!

For those of you in NY that are close to the Pa border, ya buy all ya need in any of the stores or tackle shops. I just did some shopping for 2 of the guys in Altmar........LOL
Thanks again Barney!

[goat ball]

Got the hint!!

Does anyone in PA want to be my lead friend:D

[ReininBows]

LMAO picturin Barney standin on a street corner in Altmar, "hey man I can score ya some really heavy ****, premo lead!" :D
This thread is just too funny :p

[ReininBows]

And the "fish police" come pullin up......Barney's runnin, tossin or swallowin his lead LMAO bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do.......
And Goat, "anyone wanna be my lead friend?" LMAO I can't handle these mental pics :D

[coolrobc]

you can almost picture him there in the "unibomber" steelheading hoodie, wearing waders and korkers running from the cops:D LMFAO

Split shot falling out of pockets as he runs

[ReininBows]

LMAO so you see it too??? the korkers though, thats good :p Oh man I'm cryin here,,,laughin so much it hurts :D

[coolrobc]

The best part is that he's dragging his feet while he's running (all that lead is heavy!) and leaving those tell tale Korkers scratches as he runs down the road.... what a visual! Forget cops this is more like Pulaski 911

[ReininBows]

scrunch scrunch scrunch,,,,,,,HALT and drop all your lead! We tracked him down by followin the trail of Korker scratches. LMAO
Ok I gtg ta work and try and act normal with a big grin on my face :D Just hope Barney gets ta read it before it gets pulled lol ;) Cuz if I do make it up to the Clambake I'll just look at Barney and think lead and crack up lol

[goat ball]

There is a guy who sells fly's on the Oswego River like he is selling drugs. He will fish for a few minutes, and then you will see him huddled in a corner with 3 or 4 fisherman buying his estaz flies. He looks around over his shoulder. I think he is looking for larry who owns the salmon shop. I'm sure some of you know who he is.

[gottum]

You guys are KILLIN me!:D :D :D :D
He'll never hook me up again:( ;)
In his defense he never charged me though

[goat ball]

SURE!!!

[ReininBows]

Thats how those lead dealers work it Gottum. They don't charge ya the first time and they get ya hooked. Then yur jonesin and will pay anything for yur next score lol :p

[gottum]

:eek:
I'm getting "CUT OFF" for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!
:mad:

[goat ball]

Oh great. We have another lead junky on the loose without a supplier. They just don't have enough rehab clinics for this. :rolleyes:

[Craydaddy]

HEHEHEHEHE I live in PA an I only charge a large fee umm I mean small fee for lead!! LMFAO!!

[ReininBows]

Would make a great t-shirt....."GOT LEAD?" :D

[Salmonfan]

With our insisting on using lead, does that make us all "lead heads"? We could do shirts for that, too:p